Heartland

centurionofprix wrote:I think his voice is perfect now for the industrial groove machine thing. While he can't do the bellowing bits like he used to, on a good day he rumbles and howls like a bastard. I guess it's a matter of which style and which songs to go with it you prefer.

With lungs like kippers I think the bellowing days are long gone. It's more tar gurgling now.

Pista wrote:

centurionofprix wrote:I think the gasp tends to be more prominent on the bootlegs than it is in reality. Maybe the sudden high end gets emphasized somehow, I don't know. Either way, a stonking rendition of Summer wouldn't be the same without it.

No. It would be better.

Basically, I clearly prefer what you call the Yealping Style , because Von never ever overdoes it,
to the Pushing The Hard One Style which I find a waste when used too often, and yeah saddening
when used too far.
But with Summer, now that I imagine just a clear voice without any of both, I agree ... ... oh wow ...
I can almost hear it, could be very real ... but anyway, I also love it as it is.

Being645 wrote:

Pista wrote:

centurionofprix wrote:I think the gasp tends to be more prominent on the bootlegs than it is in reality. Maybe the sudden high end gets emphasized somehow, I don't know. Either way, a stonking rendition of Summer wouldn't be the same without it.

No. It would be better.

Basically, I clearly prefer what you call the Yealping Style , because Von never ever overdoes it,
to the Pushing The Hard One Style which I find a waste when used too often, and yeah saddening
when used too far.
But with Summer, now that I imagine just a clear voice without any of both, I agree ... ... oh wow ...
I can almost hear it, could be very real ... but anyway, I also love it as it is.

This is begging for someone to edit a version "sans yealps".

Anyone?

Pista wrote:

Being645 wrote:

Pista wrote: No. It would be better.

Basically, I clearly prefer what you call the Yealping Style , because Von never ever overdoes it,
to the Pushing The Hard One Style which I find a waste when used too often, and yeah saddening
when used too far.
But with Summer, now that I imagine just a clear voice without any of both, I agree ... ... oh wow ...
I can almost hear it, could be very real ... but anyway, I also love it as it is.

This is begging for someone to edit a version "sans yealps".

Anyone?

Hey, that's nothing that can be edited ... ... it is either sung - or not.

Being645 wrote:

Pista wrote:

Being645 wrote: Basically, I clearly prefer what you call the Yealping Style , because Von never ever overdoes it,
to the Pushing The Hard One Style which I find a waste when used too often, and yeah saddening
when used too far.
But with Summer, now that I imagine just a clear voice without any of both, I agree ... ... oh wow ...
I can almost hear it, could be very real ... but anyway, I also love it as it is.

This is begging for someone to edit a version "sans yealps".

Anyone?

Hey, that's nothing that can be edited ... ... it is either sung - or not.

Somebody already did.

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

Being645 wrote:

Pista wrote: This is begging for someone to edit a version "sans yealps".

Anyone?

Hey, that's nothing that can be edited ... ... it is either sung - or not.

Somebody already did.

IZ.

Are you reading my mind?

Pista wrote:

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

Being645 wrote: Hey, that's nothing that can be edited ... ... it is either sung - or not.

Somebody already did.

IZ.

Are you reading my mind?

IZ.

How do you judge a band?

Quality of their live show?
Recorded output?
Rock n Roll shanagins?

Since 1985 I can't see how Von tops Lovelock on many, if any, of that.

I don't buy into Wayne making the Sisters (Reptile House and Temple of Love was the peak IMHO) but jesus see through the dry ice and recognise how crap the Sisters have become....

You never hear someone coming away from a m*****n live show disappointed. Fact.

In fairness, I never hear someone coming away from a m*****n show period.

I just don't run in those circles I guess.

I think Von is a better lyricist then Huss.

jparton wrote:How do you judge a band?
...
You never hear someone coming away from a m*****n live show disappointed. Fact.

... ... most likely because people listen to their records or at least try so, or they watch a vid of them on YT and decide rather not to go ... ...

sultan2075 wrote:In fairness, I never hear someone coming away from a m*****n show period.

Ouch! That is so mean!
... and true

This discussion reminds me of Madonna's brother, the one who wrote the book about her. He is convinced that he was the genius behind her early live shows, and that she became s**t when she stopped working with him. So far so good, but the real funny thing is, some Madonna fans think it makes sense ...
Madonnabrother/Wayne's significant artistic contribution = the artistic equivalent of Conspiracy Theory.

jparton wrote:How do you judge a band?

Quality of their live show?
Recorded output?
Rock n Roll shanagins?

Since 1985 I can't see how Von tops Lovelock on many, if any, of that.

I don't buy into Wayne making the Sisters (Reptile House and Temple of Love was the peak IMHO) but jesus see through the dry ice and recognise how crap the Sisters have become....

I don't think many people have come away disappointed from the recent Sisters shows I've been to, unless they didn't get the band in the first place and expected it to be some sort of satanic goth thing. The July gig in Helsinki had rave reviews from the press, for whatever that's worth, and rocked the crowd. The live show kicks.

Hi all,

I have just finished talking with george(m*****n manager)
And as an agent I have never had a reply like that.
I had always reserved judgement on the wayne and craig leaving
The sisters, but I now see why von wouldn't want anything to do with them.
I have a large collection of mish stuff which will now dispensed of,
I am that disgusted.

Mikey

did I miss something?

mikeyv wrote:Hi all,

I have just finished talking with george(m*****n manager)
And as an agent I have never had a reply like that.
I had always reserved judgement on the wayne and craig leaving
The sisters, but I now see why von wouldn't want anything to do with them.
I have a large collection of mish stuff which will now dispensed of,
I am that disgusted.

Mikey

I'll have it.

mikeyv wrote: The sisters, but I now see why von wouldn't want anything to do with them.
I have a large collection of mish stuff which will now dispensed of,
I am that disgusted.

Mikey

Are you feeling cheap and abused now ?

Being645 wrote:

jparton wrote:How do you judge a band?
...
You never hear someone coming away from a m*****n live show disappointed. Fact.

... ... most likely because people listen to their records or at least try so, or they watch a vid of them on YT and decide rather not to go ... ...

I´ve seen the miss.... about 6 times.... 3 of them were superb,but the other 3 were f**king s**t....

join a band and trying to get rid of ...the one that created IS VERY LOUSY

I would have paid for seeing the Wayne´s face when he had to pay the 25.000 pouns.... the pity is that he wouldn´t have to pay much more

the thing is: doesn´t want to know about him since long time ago, but Wayne tried to go to his show in brasil(with the GUESS LIST ) AND LOOKING TO SEE IF A REUNION COULD BE POSSIBLE.
(a reunion will be with Craig Adams, Ben Gun and Gary Marx, WAYNE IS NOT FOR THE ORIGINAL LINE UP,HE CAME IN 1984)

so if Andrew forgot about him about 25 years ago,why wayne not??

I think is a Wayne´s problem

about who´s better??? A MATTER OF TASTE

FOR ME IT´S CLEAR, ANY OF THE m*****n ALBUM CAN APPROACH A LITTLE TO FLOODLAND FOR INSTANCE
AND ABOUT LIVE SHOWS I KNOW THE SISTERS CAN DO BAD SHOWS NOWDAYS,BUT WHEN ONE IS GOOD(FOR INSTANCE CRAMMEROCK LAST WEEK END)THERE´S NOTHING BETTER....

JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THIS BLOODY SUBJET THAT SINCERILY IS GETTING BORED EVERYTIME IS DISCUSSED

dtsom wrote:

Being645 wrote:

jparton wrote:How do you judge a band?
...
You never hear someone coming away from a m*****n live show disappointed. Fact.

... ... most likely because people listen to their records or at least try so, or they watch a vid of them on YT and decide rather not to go ... ...

I´ve seen the miss.... about 6 times.... 3 of them were superb,but the other 3 were f**king s**t....

join a band and trying to get rid of ...the one that created IS VERY LOUSY

I would have paid for seeing the Wayne´s face when he had to pay the 25.000 pouns.... the pity is that he wouldn´t have to pay much more

the thing is: doesn´t want to know about him since long time ago, but Wayne tried to go to his show in brasil(with the GUESS LIST ) AND LOOKING TO SEE IF A REUNION COULD BE POSSIBLE.
(a reunion will be with Craig Adams, Ben Gun and Gary Marx, WAYNE IS NOT FOR THE ORIGINAL LINE UP,HE CAME IN 1984)

so if Andrew forgot about him about 25 years ago,why wayne not??

I think is a Wayne´s problem

about who´s better??? A MATTER OF TASTE

FOR ME IT´S CLEAR, ANY OF THE m*****n ALBUM CAN APPROACH A LITTLE TO FLOODLAND FOR INSTANCE
AND ABOUT LIVE SHOWS I KNOW THE SISTERS CAN DO BAD SHOWS NOWDAYS,BUT WHEN ONE IS GOOD(FOR INSTANCE CRAMMEROCK LAST WEEK END)THERE´S NOTHING BETTER....

JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THIS BLOODY SUBJET THAT SINCERILY IS GETTING BORED EVERYTIME IS DISCUSSED

... of course, opinions on this subject differ as much as taste ...

On the other hand, I had not yet found a pretty formulation like yours before that

dtsom wrote: ... if Andrew forgot about him about 25 years ago, why wayne not??

Bad conscience?

... Anyway, I'd like to know the words to describe the strategy you've employed there ... ...
and of course, I agree perfectly with your view of any reunion and of taking over other people's band ...

Only one point: the "nowadays" of gigs with bad sounds and so on ended in 2009!
Nowadays, The Sisters' gigs sound wonderful, all like that one at Crammerock or even better ... They have done something about it, and effectively ... ...

Of course, one day there will surely be another bad gig, where things go terribly wrong.
But this will only be one of these days, and by far no longer the standard that was attributed to them so often in past times.

Fortunately I missed out on the whole bad sound phase, but I always wanted to ask, so I'm gonna start a new topic on it

mikeyv wrote:Hi all,

I have just finished talking with george(m*****n manager)
And as an agent I have never had a reply like that.
I had always reserved judgement on the wayne and craig leaving
The sisters, but I now see why von wouldn't want anything to do with them.
I have a large collection of mish stuff which will now dispensed of,
I am that disgusted.

Mikey

George isn't Wayne. George can be a complete twit sometimes and tends to say stupid things without thinking first. That's not Wayne's fault.

dtsom wrote:join a band and trying to get rid of ...the one that created IS VERY LOUSY

An interestingly revised version of history there. Wayne joined the band for a couple of years. The he left (after everyone else had already gone) and parted on fairly amicable terms with Von. They fell out later over a stupid publicity stunt. Wayne never tried to get rid of Von.

dtsom wrote:the thing is: doesn´t want to know about him since long time ago, but Wayne tried to go to his show in brasil(with the GUESS LIST ) AND LOOKING TO SEE IF A REUNION COULD BE POSSIBLE.

Which surely makes Wayne the better man. He was prepared to try and get on (remembering that their last meeting before that had been on good terms). Von behaved rudely.

Wayne's hardly a saint, I know, but he was in the band, made as significant a contribution as anyone else, left and got on with his life. The vitriol some fans continue to throw at him never ceases to amaze or disappoint me.

stufarq

Wayne created a group that the name was the same name as the sisters fan base. SOUND INTERESTING RIGHT??

that he left after everyone had already gone??
as far as i know Craig and wayne was in the sisters untill the end of it(END OF THIS ERA@ royal albert hall) AND WHAT A CASUALITY, AFTER THAT, HE AND CRAIG STARTED TO TOUR WITH A BAND CALLED THE SISTERHOOD

do you consider that he parted on fairly amicable terms with Von???

SO FOR ME THIS IS LIKE THEY WANTED TO APPROACH THE SUCCESS OF THE GROUP, CREATING ONE WITH A FAMILIAR NAME BUT WITHIOUT ANDREW..... FOR ME THEY GOT RID OF VON

AND IF SOMEONE DO ME THIS, I DON´T WNAT TO KNOW ABOUT HIM-HER-THEY.......... IN ALL MY LIFE

Oh but admit it, having someone else to message another person about a ridiculous guest list is not a friendly gesture. It's the allure of either a) a 13 year old, or b) a 78 year old wannabe diva.

Have to say that when I saw the m*****n in 2007 (Glasgow ABC) it was a good gig marred by the fact that the sound failed at least twice. However I've been fortunate to see the Sisters twice this year (Leeds and Glasgow) and on both occasions were brilliant.

mikeyv wrote:Hi all,

I have just finished talking with george(m*****n manager)
And as an agent I have never had a reply like that.

An agent, eh ? Did you have to break the bad news to Jerry that his audition for Celebrity Big Brother had been unsuccessful ?

Be honest, you wouldn't be surprised to see the arch self-publicist turn up on something like that, would you, swigging liberally from a bottle of beaujolais as he swaggered his way into the BB house !

stufarq wrote:Wayne's hardly a saint, I know, but he was in the band, made as significant a contribution as anyone else, left and got on with his life. The vitriol some fans continue to throw at him never ceases to amaze or disappoint me.

Yeah me too.