Heartland

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 19:28**

Joy wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:its quite simple: eldritch was pretty much operating as a one-man band, but needed other "band-members" for top-of-the-pops appearances, etc. after all, it was meant to be the next incarnation of The Sisters, not an eldritch solo project.
Patsy's membership gave the faux-band a credibility; not only as a highly recognisable second member, but also one with a musical history in a band Sisters fans would have heard of.
add to that the fact that visually, her and eldritch represented a male and female goth ideal: a king-and-queen icon for darklings. (even from a hetero-centrically minded corporate A&R viewpoint) if the girls wanted to look like her and the boys wanted to f**k her, and the boys wanted to look like eldritch while the girls wanted to f**k him, patsy's membership was a stroke of promotional genius.

once the promotion for floodland and the singles thereof, had ended patsy was surpus to (eldritch's) requirements. if she had become a babysitter to eldritch and his habits and/or a love-interest are irrelevant, except for being possible factors in expediting her departure.
Von didn't hide the fact that Patricia was to strengthen rather the visual part of the band..

Joy, any idea when that clip was published... love this line
"not that I didn't look pretty in those days..."

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 20:50**

I do now and will always believe this is revisionist history. I have met Patricia and seen her play the bass on a few occasions and I think she is much more than a pretty face. I also think she was really hurt by the way Andrew treated her.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 23:17**

EmmaPeelWannaBe wrote:
Joy, any idea when that clip was published... love this line

"not that I didn't look pretty in those days..."

It was published in a special issue of Classic Rock Mag. in 2012 - "...the story of the alternative 80s". This is a long interview of several pages and pics. I will scan it for you and for those who are interested. (I don't promise it for tomorrow but as soon as I find the time.)

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 23:30**

Joy wrote: Von didn't hide the fact that Patricia was to strengthen rather the visual part of the band..

I wouldn't say it like that and I won't buy that from him.
More likely his calculations failed in various respects, not necessarily as to Patricia's bass playing, though.
It all started with Hussey's and Adams' departure and the quite sudden need to counteract their infamous attempt to pocket the Sisters brand.
Then, James Ray and others became also involved in The Sisterhood, and things went anywhere ... already before Floodland ... not to mention Vision Thing ...
After all, Patricia accepted the scapegoat tag and didn't comment on events in public for a while, which in itself was ... fair enough.

*Still, I don't like her, but one doesn't have to like every person in the world.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 04:25**

Rise891 wrote:I do now and will always believe this is revisionist history. I have met Patricia and seen her play the bass on a few occasions and I think she is much more than a pretty face. I also think she was really hurt by the way Andrew treated her.

yes she is more than a pretty face. and probably she was hurt by him. i wasnt saying otherwise. but he didnt need a bass player. at all. no band, no gigs, no need to pay a band member apart from the reasons given.

@Being645: i dont dislike her, no reason to, but lets face it there was no other need for her to be hired after the Sisterhood apart from the ones given. Gift was summer 1986, This Corrosion came out september 1987. plenty of time for eldritch to get a band together if he had wanted -which he didnt- and a long time to string patsy along. i think they did Gift, then he went off and wrote/recorded floodland, and towards the end of that process he hired patsy for the reasons given. as to whether he was upfront with her about it all....probably not.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 16:32**

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:eldritch was pretty much operating as a one-man band.

Now imagining Von with a bass drum strapped to his back and a harmonica around his neck while he strums Streets of London.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 18:55**

stufarq wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:eldritch was pretty much operating as a one-man band.
Now imagining Von with a bass drum strapped to his back and a harmonica around his neck while he strums Streets of London.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 18:57**

stufarq wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:eldritch was pretty much operating as a one-man band.
Now imagining Von with a bass drum strapped to his back and a harmonica around his neck while he strums Streets of London.

Posted: **25 Dec 2015, 09:11**

Joy wrote:
stufarq wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:eldritch was pretty much operating as a one-man band.
Now imagining Von with a bass drum strapped to his back and a harmonica around his neck while he strums Streets of London.

Thank you.

Posted: **25 Dec 2015, 12:27**

So, the bass on Floodland is looped and electonically worked over? Obviously

did the same with the instrumental parts he played himself. And her overall role was limited? Tony James designed the cover for Vision Thing and supposedly played some bass towards the end of the sessions and Tim Bricheno as far as itÂ´s known only posed for the photos on the cover. The writing and actual recording of the album was done by Von and Andreas Bruhn, so you could talk about a "limited role" for the 2 former guys as well.
And sorry, some comments here about Pat are really insulting, no need to become that personal, even if you think she did nothing on the album (though do I think she did the bass parts, but as I said, if Von worked it over, so what?).
@Mrs Vanian: if that comment earlier was really from you:

Merry Xmas...

Posted: **05 Jan 2016, 15:08**

Hey everyone!

I commented this before somewhere... there's an interview where Patricia mentions some funky bass lines to Driven Like The Snow... and if you listen (quite) closely, they are really there. There's the main bass line that is probably sampled (probably not even real bass), and and every third beat of every second measure (?) there's a slap-bass fill panned left and right, alternating(ly?).

There might be more (subliminal) real bass parts over the album, so my guess is, she did record some lines, AE probably cut most of them out/already had sampled lines for most songs.

Posted: **11 Jan 2016, 18:35**

I think I need glasses. When I saw the title, I thought it said "Why did they have a squirrel"

Posted: **11 Jan 2016, 22:07**

SmileySister wrote:I think I need glasses. When I saw the title, I thought it said "Why did they have a squirrel"

Now that's a much more entertaining question.

Posted: **11 Jan 2016, 23:33**

And would the squirrel deny that he/she is a goth squirrel?

Posted: **12 Jan 2016, 01:06**

Well squirrels around these parts are generally red or grey, not black, and to date none has been spotted with a white 5 point star on it's head. So I'd say it would deny absolutely everything

If they didn't have a squirrel they missed a trick, it would have been great in the videos, if a bit damp in some. I reckon that they might had a grumpy one like the one in Ice Age (Skrat??) who never got the nuts, all 2 5 0 0 0 of them.

Or maybe they just quarrelled about the squirrel vs. the cats, actually that's sounds plausible, mystery solved.

Posted: **12 Jan 2016, 02:31**

Crikey...."his moon was on her stelium" all that time?

Who knew!

Not I, for sure

Posted: **12 Jan 2016, 15:10**

Posted: **12 Jan 2016, 20:17**

Microcosmia wrote:
If they didn't have a squirrel they missed a trick, it would have been great in the videos, if a bit damp in some.

This is now officially my favourite thread.

Posted: **12 Jan 2016, 21:01**

Skwerls on smoke and skwerls on weed
Skwerls on coke and skwerls on speed...

...I have slept with all the skwerls in Berlin. Maybe that's why he had to move - Hamburg, being a seaport, maybe there's fewer squirrels?

Posted: **12 Jan 2016, 23:05**

Evilbastard I'm laughing so much at that that my family are walking away from me shaking their heads.

You know when he sang "I feel an animal deep inside" you don't think he could have meant......

Surely not.

Posted: **13 Jan 2016, 12:40**

Eurasian Red, Eastern Grey...

Posted: **13 Jan 2016, 12:43**

Guedzilla wrote:

Ive got to do that to a goat picture, perhaps blonde hair and a cravat instead of studs though.

Posted: **13 Jan 2016, 13:12**

<<< Done

Posted: **13 Jan 2016, 16:23**

Microcosmia wrote:
You know when he sang "I feel an animal deep inside" you don't think he could have meant......

Surely not.

Drey now, drey now now...

Posted: **13 Jan 2016, 19:37**

stufarq wrote:
Microcosmia wrote:
You know when he sang "I feel an animal deep inside" you don't think he could have meant......

Surely not.

Drey now, drey now now...

Snow snow snow (it's time to hibe'nate)
Snow snow snow (it's time to run and hide))

Heartland

Patricia and Von - Why did they have a quarrel?

So what?