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Jim wrote:

DomConway wrote:I'll go with the "they aren't" too. But I'll follow it with a "they used to be" and add that I have never been one!

I wish I could claim the same.

Bah. Misspent youth.

tell me about it!

And another vote here, for the "they are a rock bad and always have been".

I have just bought and, of course read the "None More Black" article in this months "Classic Rock" magazine - and as far as the general, record buying public are concerned (or so it would appear) the "Sisters" are "GOTH!" - dont shout at Moi - its Societies Fault! - MuHa!

The sisters are Andrew and STOP !
To define them goth, dark, etc...etc... is a big mistake because it's to delimit them and specially the Andrew's soul.

Bye !

The true and best Sisters are NOW... but the people don't understand it...... and they find ridicules the recent concerts but they are crazy !!!! Listened Ribbons, or Lucrethia or Crash and Burn.. Summer, Body Electric, We are the same Suzanne etc...etc.... NOW !!! I prefer his voice NOW.
There are an energy and a charisma in Eldritch NOW extraordinary and more free!! In the 80' they are more engages "to be dark"... I hate Hussey and i'm not between the many that judge FALAL theirs masterpiece !!
This is my opinion !!
For Eldritch
Byeeeee !

I never said I was ANTI Eldritch (*hides behind monitor - until first battalion are exhausted*)

I was talking about the badly written and badly opinioned "None More Black" - it reads like like an A level essay!

Eldritch can be a B*****D - by his own admission - but thats why we all love him right !

He has always admitted that he's not a goth;

I mean would a goth band hire an overqualified metronome instead of a real drummer?

I seem to remember him wearing a white suit to do 'This Corrission' on TOTP to prove he wasn't a goth as well (it went well with her wedding dress, the swordstick, the black nails, the shades etc etc)

I'ts also coincidence that he came from Leeds and (happened to spend the period from when punk collapsed, to the time the new romantics realised what they were doing) writing angsty songs with romantic overtones in an

• (allegedly)

amphetemine fuelled orgy of lace and cat fur.

N0, he's just another wanabe that just happens to be perpetually surrounded in fog and ocassionally sings exsistental songs to enough goths to fill one of them fields people kick pig bladders on.

Moz Magister wrote:He has always admitted that he's not a goth;

I mean would a goth band hire an overqualified metronome instead of a real drummer?

I seem to remember him wearing a white suit to do 'This Corrission' on TOTP to prove he wasn't a goth as well (it went well with her wedding dress, the swordstick, the black nails, the shades etc etc)

I'ts also coincidence that he came from Leeds and (happened to spend the period from when punk collapsed, to the time the new romantics realised what they were doing) writing angsty songs with romantic overtones in an

• (allegedly)[/list:u]amphetemine fuelled orgy of lace and cat fur.
  
  N0, he's just another wanabe that just happens to be perpetually surrounded in fog and ocassionally sings exsistental songs to enough goths to fill one of them fields people kick pig bladders on.

Oooh heaven's what an inflammatory statement , handbags at dawn .....

I think we all know Von's failings / foibles well enough by now

goth is something different every week.

this week i think goth is wearing orange legwarmers and listening to skinny puppy.

next week has green eyeshadow and listening to voltaire pencilled in....

sisters are goth when it suits them

I think the Sisters are not goth although some of their song could be defined so. And I read a Von's interview where he said that "maybe in the past" some songs had a goth-inspiration. In my opinion, "Burn" is so for example.
Some friends of mine think that "Vision Thing" is the beginning of the worst Sisters. For me it is slightely the opposite. They're the best rock band I have ever seen in my life.
Cheers,

@ Moz

I mean would a goth band hire an overqualified metronome instead of a real drummer?

> Drum Machines/Keyboards - should I bother to mention "Cybergoth!" - Oh I just did

> (Bleepy Rave S h i t e IMHO! )

I seem to remember him wearing a white suit to do 'This Corrission' on TOTP to prove he wasn't a goth as well (it went well with her wedding dress, the swordstick, the black nails, the shades etc etc)

> I think you will find that the white suit (and tidy beard) was for "Dominion" not "This Corrosion". I thought (and still do!) that VON looked great in a white suit!

I dont expect anything of anyone (only joking)

I am unfortunate (;-)) enough to have a very good memory (and also to an "sisters" obsessive!

As for looking "at hundreds of G***'S" that would explain the Smoke and Shades (perhaps!)

Goth - then
Indolent Lazy Evil Metal Dickweeds - now

just my interpretation of this of course

regards
Blast

Listen, I have an idea. I don't know that there is a poll facility on this esteemed forum, but it's fairly easy to construct one. I shall do as follows: post a message saying the Sisters are goths, and Von is in denial. If you agree, reply to it. DON'T otherwise. I shall also post a message saying the Sisters are a fine rock band, not sad goths. If you agree, reply to it, if you disagree, DON'T. Then we can simply count the posts, no?

Brilliant! Or quite simple. Or both. Who knows.

there was a poll facilty but i disablked it a loooong time ago.

you want me to enable it?

Quiff Boy wrote:there was a poll facilty but i disablked it a loooong time ago.

you want me to enable it?

we now have the facility to do proper POLLS!

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3143

vote away

Ribbons75 wrote:The true and best Sisters are NOW... but the people don't understand it...... and they find ridicules the recent concerts but they are crazy !!!! Listened Ribbons, or Lucrethia or Crash and Burn.. Summer, Body Electric, We are the same Suzanne etc...etc.... NOW !!! I prefer his voice NOW.
There are an energy and a charisma in Eldritch NOW extraordinary and more free!! In the 80' they are more engages "to be dark"... I hate Hussey and i'm not between the many that judge FALAL theirs masterpiece !!
This is my opinion !!
For Eldritch
Byeeeee !

Just quoting it all cos I agree entirely!

M

Andrew is totally right when he says the Sisters are not a goth band.Put his stark baritone and image aside and concetrate just on the music itself and you can hear lots of psychedelic-punk(The Stooges for instance),glam(Gary Glitter and T-Rex for example),hard'n'heavy(Motorhead) and electronic(Suicide) influences among few others in it.Pure rock'n'roll.I would site them more dark than goth because between dark and goth there's some certain kind of difference.

I was in an "Electro-Industrial / EBM / Future Pop" party last night. Danced and met many nice people. Noticed that finally there's gothic subculture in Estonia. Although some young goths (Russians and Estonians) were very friendly I still spent more time with DM fans. Maybe I have more to talk with people of my age.
Well, but what I wanted to say - one Sisters song - Temple Of Love (touched by the hand of Ofra Haza) - was also played and then I realized (in a way I can't formulate) big difference between this song and those people with black'n'white faces...

This one is just going to run and run.
At the end of the day, whether he chooses to acknowledge it or not, Eldritch has certainly made use of some very Gothic imagery in the past. The band also used to have a very large Goth following. I honestly don't know if that makes them a Goth band or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm far more inclined to get bent out of shape or upset about the lack of recorded material for the last decade.
Eldritch once stated that successful bands issue records, not writs.
Need I say more?

Erudite wrote:This one is just going to run and run.
At the end of the day, whether he chooses to acknowledge it or not, Eldritch has certainly made use of some very Gothic imagery in the past. The band also used to have a very large Goth following. I honestly don't know if that makes them a Goth band or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm far more inclined to get bent out of shape or upset about the lack of recorded material for the last decade.
Eldritch once stated that successful bands issue records, not writs.
Need I say more?

Here, here, damn fine summing up Sir!

regards
Blast

Another comment from the "not a goth band" went like this:-

There are three good bands in the world, us, the Birthday Party and Motorhead, we are better then the BP, but not as good as Motorhead"

Neither of three Bands mentioned are "goth" in the Specimen/ASF/Virgin Prunes sense of the word, for me, that sorts that out.
As for the other thing, two of three artists he mentioned are still releasing work after 25 years, albeit under different names at times....
Go Figure....
Me, I would not mind if Von did a Cave and recorded under his own name, after all - what is it we want?
A "Sisters of Mercy" album, like the crap that EW did not release..ssv...
or...
Words by Eldritch, Music by Eldritch, for gawds sake the Reptile House was a solo project and that is AWSOME.
Mind you, most people my missus is one of em' reckon the sisters are a bunch of Coffin Grabbin Goths...what does she know? she likes Hanoi F***** Rocks!!!

Sermon Over.

Adios.

Red Sunsets wrote:

Erudite wrote:This one is just going to run and run.
At the end of the day, whether he chooses to acknowledge it or not, Eldritch has certainly made use of some very Gothic imagery in the past. The band also used to have a very large Goth following. I honestly don't know if that makes them a Goth band or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm far more inclined to get bent out of shape or upset about the lack of recorded material for the last decade.
Eldritch once stated that successful bands issue records, not writs.
Need I say more?

Here, here, damn fine summing up Sir!

regards
Blast

Thank you,

Doktor Wolf, I think I now your wife?

hehehehehe
Blast