Heartland

Here is no more obligatory since 25 years or so, when our government realizef pupils were from different cultural tealities and when the people started beeing aware of the priviledges Rome's Church had. Before that time our governments were slaughters of religion beeing somewhat connected with the head of the church itself.
but the system has never found a real alternative if you don't do it. So normally pupils are forced to stay out of classrooms doing the real nothing in Silence for an hour.
I must say my teacher wasn't bad and she accepted me and a classmate as atheist trying to discuss of other things too.
Here pupiks don't avoid the religion hour...it's an exscuse Foe doing nothing all together

here nuns and priests also can teach religion, so you can guess how it could be, how it was. because i wasn't easy to tame (background and my a bit vulgar, provocative nature) i was oppressed by them. i'm natural born lefty, so made the sign of cross using my left hand (no one ever told me that it was wrong), and because of that (left hand is used by a rival gang- Orthodox Church- to made such sign of cross) i had even more hard times. in the end my parents signed me off from religion and because i had only one year of lesson of ethic, rest of the time i've spent in school library (which was good side of it ) or in house having lunch break (i lived almost next to my high school).

now i'm in the middle of signing off from catholic church using public law instead of church directive. now that's a pretty hell. Data Protection Ombudsman acts dumb that he doesn't know the law, doesn't respect rulings. long story short it's funny yet wearing and long legal procedure.

I brought often books i was reading at the moment, lot og discussions about Nietscghe or Baudlaire and damned poets came out

sadly religion lessons had no direct intellectual impact on me. nun/teacher saw only long hair, black clothes, earrings and nothing more, once she even called me a 'cow' because of that earnings and that said more about her intellectual capabilities more than enough. and how could and should i like and respect church as institution when they sends such persons to contact with other who not share their point of view?

The UK still has compulsory "religious education" and all schools must have a daily session of "broadly Christian worship". On the other hand, the Church of England is a lot more wooly than the Cat'lick lot.

Richard Dawkins has compared the CofE to a religious mind-vaccine in that you give someone the weak form, which they then fight off, but it also gives them immunity to the stronger forms...

I have a sneaking suspicion that the CofE doesn't even require its clergy to actually bother with all that "belief in God" malarkey anyway; David Jenkins (who was Bishop of Durham during the 80's and 90's) certainly didn't seem to do so.

markfiend wrote: Richard Dawkins has compared the CofE to a religious mind-vaccine in that you give someone the weak form, which they then fight off, but it also gives them immunity to the stronger forms...

absolutely spot-on. i went to a church of england school between the ages of 4 and 11 and we attended the church every friday. consequently by the age of 5 or 6 i had exhausted mental blasphemy and sacrilege as a means of passing the time and found i had no reason to doubt the non-existence of god. that got the whole religion thing out of the way for me at a nice early age without any of the guilt or head-fucks of other harsher faiths.

million voices wrote:Good job you didn't kill yourself as you wouldn't have gone to Heaven as you would have known if you'd paid attention in the compulsory Religious Subject (smiley face).

Yes it's true. I plead guilty. Instead i was behind the door, the poison door....you know..

Thank for all the contributions to this issue, its deeply appreciated. My personal experience within a religious school could not have been more surrealistic as well, so it doesn't worth further explaining. However on the positive hand of this Education Thing, Music subjects eventually made it in Switzerland, as they had been planning and fighting for. Last week Music Education was finally included in the Swiss Constitution. Admirable, isn't it? Now I just need to improve my German and move there. Anyone coming?

For a change, here i leave a link on the matter, in case someone's curious....

http://www.musicschoolunion.eu/fileadmi ... erland.pdf

i had music education in elementary, i got grade E because i didn't want to sing.

In italy qe have four hours per week of music in the middle school, but go figure they teach you the flute...

It would be weird if they taught oboe
Flute is good choice though, a kind of intro to industrial music

iesus wrote:It would be weird if they taught oboe
Flute is good choice though,

...soon they will introduce to the skin flute
So that's a good start

that sounds a kind of pervish thing

Bartek wrote:i had music education in elementary, i got grade E because i didn't want to sing.

I got lowest grade because I wanted to sing.

Teenage angst. Lots, and lots of teenage angst. I hate being my age.

Everybody ignore this post.
Shut up me.

LyanvisAberrant wrote:Teenage angst. Lots, and lots of teenage angst. I hate being my age.

Everybody ignore this post.
Shut up me.

I wish I could empathise...but it was so long ago I can't remember how it felt.
I do remember plenty of Joy Division, The Cure & The Bunnymen got me through it.

Wait until you get to the Depression of Middle Age.
You will look back upon "Teenage Angst" as a Golden Time

Yeah, how wonderful was at that time back then
Now only pain, diseases, weakness and other bad things
I can feel the changes of weather before they happen in my leg
There are moments i mishear things and i am afraid that at 70's i will hear nothing
I will not be able to hear Floodland in less than 31 years for eternity
Aaaah i miss my teenage years

Old(er) age has its benefits though. I'm certainly earning a lot more money than I was when I was 16 (or indeed than when I was 26, but that's a different story!) And I'm in a stable long-term relationship, I don't have to put up with living with my parents, I don't have to worry about exams that could affect my whole future, I could go on...

Agree with Mark, here - I don't have any nostalgia for my teenage years - much prefer the independence and the money of middle ag... maturity.

Nostalgia for my teenage waistline is a different matter...

I'm just quite happy, might be the Prozac
I take it for nerve pain, it's a side effect, in that it relieves the agony.
I'm mainly happy because I no longer need a day job, it ruined me, physically and mentally. I have to live with the physical aspect but that's fine because ma heid is sorted.

because I went to the pub to watch Utd win (rare I know) when I got the call mini PIb had her first 'Ian' of the year - bad enough but then somebody took the p*ss coz I was sad so I absolutely pummeled him and was arrested for my fun

ouch!

sounds like top nite out! (but that guy that you pummeled seems to be major a-hole).

The whole teenage thing is (from what I hear)now very different from what it was when you lot were wee. In College if you let out that you're depressed they just send you off to get pumped up with pills that are either mostly placebo or just simply make it worse.

It has it's ups and it has it's downs. As does everything, although I'm not currently living with parents, so my band and I have to cope with paying the rent by ourselves, so that's a hassle. Generally it's all worrying about nothing, so that's what annoys me.

Worries are never about "nothing". Respect your limits! ... ...