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Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 04 May 2021, 22:20
by elamanamou
Small world. A school friend I never knew liked the Sisters wrote a good review. :notworthy:

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 06 May 2021, 21:44
by bismarck
elamanamou wrote: 04 May 2021, 22:20 Small world. A school friend I never knew liked the Sisters wrote a good review. :notworthy:
Oh wow, Christian is a friend of yours from school? Post his review here.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 07 May 2021, 09:28
by elamanamou
So I read Waiting for Another War the history of the Sisters of Mercy (till 1985) by Trevor Ristow. It is a really good readable book with a limited market (probably people who bought The Reptile House ep) and charts the various incarnations of the Sisters of Mercy to 85; three main line ups and styles, with only the auteur Andrew Eldritch making it all the way through: though Gary Marx had every opportunity to.

Eldritch is as you imagine: aloof, intellectual, amphetamine driven and a huge fan of late 60s rock. He despises the Cult, which surprised me given they were doing much the same thing -- trying to be Led Zeppelin. Except Eldritch was trying to be Lemmy. Still Eldritch is a sympathetic character to my mind in comparison with That Guitarist -- who is depicted as immature, fawning and dangerously our of control at times, such as when he drove a car through red lights all the way down 5th Ave. just for fun. (One of the bands biggest US promoters was killed a couple of years later crushed by a car when someone did the same). Of course this is a massively pro Eldritch book - he comes over as a dick only twice really - so I shall read Salad Daze by That Guitarist when time allows.

Goth culture seems to have come together despite the intentions of the bands associated with it and was a post punk thing with distinct British and US trends, but Eldritch hated goths with a passion. Hussey saw them as a fantastic market, and liked them - his own sensibilities were pure Led Zeppelin, exactly with The Cult, but Eldritch was desperate to reject the goth label to stop the band being sidelined and forced from the mainstream. (He utterly failed and bitterly resented it).

There are less rock n Roll excess stories than you would expect, and a lot more of Eldritch getting his label WEA to give him total artistic control, and then experimenting with other band members having some input before deciding to do everything his way. Marx did not want to be a rockstar and wanted to be ar home with the missus, and Ben Gunn found taking the Sisters seriously as a deal breaker and walked first. Craig Adams and Hussey loved excess and partying and wound up good mates: Eldritch seems to have pitied them rather, and held out a hand but the end was inevitable.

Where the book is weaker is in the lyrical analysis: some good stuff but I am pretty certain that there are far more dense layers of literary allusion. Marian reminds me of Marianne by Percy Byshe Shelley

"And hark! a rush as if the deep
Had burst its bonds; she looked behind
And saw over the western steep
A raging flood descend, and wind
Through that wide vale; she felt no fear,
But said within herself, 'Tis clear
These towers are Nature's own, and she
To save them has sent forth the sea"

and his subsequent death by drowning: see https://wordsworth.org.uk/blog/2014/07/ ... e-shelley/

More than the Romantics though the spectre of T. S. Elliot appears again and again, and many lyrics are taken from there in much the way Jefferson Airplane plundered A.A.Milne and Dadaist poetry. The author acknowledges this, citing Elliot's "White bodies naked on the low damp ground" which obviously is mirrored in The Floorshow lyric. I would have enjoyed more of this kind of teasing out the multiple layers of allusion.

Now let us be clear: Eldritch is avowed anti-Fascist, but one of the most interesting way to read his lyrics is through Klaus Theweleit's classic study of Freikorp art and literature: Male Fantasies: women, flood, bodies, history which is replete with symbolism of pure snow, trains and red terror. As a cultural analysis of certain expressions of dangerous masculinity it is unexpected- and while the English translation was 1987 it was originally published as Männerphantasien, 2 Vols., Verlag Roter Stern/Stroemfeld, Frankfurt am Main/Basel 1977–1978. This is Eldritch - I am sure he appreciates German literature and film too, and read the important intellectuals from a Leftist position?

This is the most intellectual type of dumb rock and roll ever concieved: and Eldritch is unlikely to explain himself. The Sisters at their best represent a tearing conflict between the Appolonian and the Dionysian, and I really loved them though I never got them. There may be a reason for that.

Eldritch's biography in the book is scant: RAF child Ely - Singapore - Great Malvern - London. I am astonished there are no West German bases there. Ely however really explains some of the lyrics and my affection for them. There is something of the more melancholy baroque about the music, and Ely cathedral might loom over it. Mostly though it reminds me of the Fens, and the Breck, driving through the landscapes of my youth - 1984, Weston at the wheel, the landscape pure floodland, a mirror of snow under the blackest of skies, a train rumbling to Cambridge, and the roar of US jets across the sky.

I guess we all find our own meanings in every song we love, and Eldritch is more willing than most to step back and let us. Shame, he seems like someone I could talk to. Still, while we have no autobiography Ristow's book is a great place to start. Highly recommended.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 07 May 2021, 09:30
by elamanamou
bismarck wrote: 06 May 2021, 21:44
elamanamou wrote: 04 May 2021, 22:20 Small world. A school friend I never knew liked the Sisters wrote a good review. :notworthy:
Oh wow, Christian is a friend of yours from school? Post his review here.
Posted Christian’s review above

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 07 May 2021, 14:45
by bismarck
elamanamou wrote: 07 May 2021, 09:30 Posted Christian’s review above
Thank you Vanessa.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 10 May 2021, 07:36
by eastmidswhizzkid
its a pretty boring up-its-own-arse review though. pseud's... :roll:

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 27 May 2021, 15:22
by Gethz
Finally finished it - got to say a very good read and well presented.

When vol 2 due to hit the shelves ;)

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 01 Jun 2021, 20:23
by bismarck
Gethz wrote: 27 May 2021, 15:22 Finally finished it - got to say a very good read and well presented.

When vol 2 due to hit the shelves ;)
Many thanks Gethz. Vol. II is in the works. I'll do a much better job of announcing it in advance this time.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 04 Jun 2021, 16:27
by bismarck
Back in stock at Rough Trade in London: https://www.roughtrade.com/gb/trevor-ri ... -1-1980-85

Also back in stock at Topos, with free US shipping: https://www.toposbookstore.com/product/ ... WXkPR058Kg

GKW Press (in other words, me) will be away from our shipping facilities (my desk) for a while starting in about a week, so I won't be able to fulfill orders. I will take the buying option down on the website while I am away. But if you want a paperback, the two stores above can help you while supplies last there.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 15 Jul 2021, 10:09
by Memphis Rich
Just got around to reading the book. Excellent work! Looking forward to volume two.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 12 Aug 2021, 17:11
by bismarck
Memphis Rich wrote: 15 Jul 2021, 10:09 Just got around to reading the book. Excellent work! Looking forward to volume two.
Many thanks Rich.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 12 Aug 2021, 17:12
by bismarck
In case you are suffering through a heatwave (as we are), here is a very original blog post about popsicles and Waiting For Another War:

https://thelovingbelly.com/sisters-of-m ... popsicles/

Thank you to Courtney Whitman.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 22:01
by eastmidswhizzkid
bismarck wrote: 12 Aug 2021, 17:12 In case you are suffering through a heatwave (as we are), here is a very original blog post about popsicles and Waiting For Another War:

https://thelovingbelly.com/sisters-of-m ... popsicles/

Thank you to Courtney Whitman.
another nice little review. with recipes for Goth ice-lollies! ace.

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 17:45
by bismarck
Rough Trade in London have imported another shipment of Waiting For Another War, which is now available to pre-order.

Because they will only import very limited quantities at one time, I don't know how long these will last there. But if you're in the UK or EU, and you want one in a week or so, now's the time to get in:

https://www.roughtrade.com/gb/trevor-ri ... -1-1980-85

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 20 Nov 2021, 12:07
by Gothicbiff
For anyone not on Facebook :D


Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 20 Nov 2021, 15:35
by ruffers
Well deserved, thanks for the heads up.

Wonder how Paint My Name.. will get on next year?!

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 04 Jul 2022, 18:58
by Kutan
I took the opportunity to grab one from Rough Trade while I was in London for a week. Now I'm curious what's in it...

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 19 Nov 2022, 12:16
by fields
Have to read it!!

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 19 Nov 2022, 23:03
by GC
fields wrote: 19 Nov 2022, 12:16 Have to read it!!
Its well worth it

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 20 Nov 2022, 11:45
by paint it black
Nice one! Well done Trev 😀

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 22:50
by Rantz Hoseley
Where's the best place in the states currently to pick this up?

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 20 Feb 2023, 18:28
by Ian1971
Admin note: Ian has sourced a copy now. Many thanks.

Hi. I've joined this forum today in my search for a copy of 'WFAW'. I'm in the UK and can't find one anywhere. Amazon have a digital copy but there's a warning attached, stating that the quality is dubious, plus, digital books suck.
Please can anyone help? Thanks, Ian

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 20 Feb 2023, 18:38
by Pista
Ian1971 wrote: 20 Feb 2023, 18:28 Hi. I've joined this forum today in my search for a copy of 'WFAW'. I'm in the UK and can't find one anywhere. Amazon have a digital copy but there's a warning attached, stating that the quality is dubious, plus, digital books suck.
Please can anyone help? Thanks, Ian
Hello & welcome to :hl:
Good luck in your search. Pretty sure someone round these parts can point in in roughly the right direction

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 21 Feb 2023, 19:42
by Big Si
Ian1971 wrote: 20 Feb 2023, 18:28 Hi. I've joined this forum today in my search for a copy of 'WFAW'. I'm in the UK and can't find one anywhere. Amazon have a digital copy but there's a warning attached, stating that the quality is dubious, plus, digital books suck.
Please can anyone help? Thanks, Ian
I've got a spare copy (Mint Condition) if you'd like to Purchase it off of me? I'll take care of the Postage cost.

Regards,
Big Si

Re: Book: Waiting For Another War

Posted: 21 Feb 2023, 22:49
by Ian1971
Big Si wrote: 21 Feb 2023, 19:42
Ian1971 wrote: 20 Feb 2023, 18:28 Hi. I've joined this forum today in my search for a copy of 'WFAW'. I'm in the UK and can't find one anywhere. Amazon have a digital copy but there's a warning attached, stating that the quality is dubious, plus, digital books suck.
Please can anyone help? Thanks, Ian
I've got a spare copy (Mint Condition) if you'd like to Purchase it off of me? I'll take care of the Postage cost.

Regards,
Big Si
Hey. Thanks for getting back to me but it's okay, I went and bought the digital version and now my paperback copy of 'Paint my name in black and gold' has arrived, so my need to read about SOM is satisfied. Looks like I can't edit my first post to add that I don't need it anymore?
Cheers,
Ian