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'This hairdo's truly evil - I'm not sure it's mine'

(c) Kristin Hersh.

RicheyJames wrote:and, james, i don't have a hair-do, i just have hair.

James, on the other hand, has a hair-don't

IZ.

RicheyJames wrote:

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:

RicheyJames wrote:pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate

i'd rather be a close-minded cynic than a credulous fool.

fortunately,i'm neither.

quid quid latine dictum sit,altum videtur.

a fair point. it was a touch pretentious to quote the original latin but that doesn't make the point any less valid.

no,it doesn't,on the whole.
however,i still think that it is perfectly within the confines of reason to look beyond the obvious with regard to the culpability of the state and it's agents in matters of national security.
i don't care whether Elvis is still alive (though,if pressed,i would say it's probably better that he isn't);nor do i care -beyond historical interest- who shot kennedy,whether jack the ripper was a mason,or if the american military knew beforehand about "pearl harbour".


emwk said

(did you go to public school?that would explain a lot.)

richey james said

would it? would you be able to describe exactly what you think it might explain without resorting to crude stereotypes?

probably not...however i'll have a go.firstly:a (reasonably) obscure latin quotation;maybe not that indicative of private education,'cause i knew what you meant,but at least indicative of an education.(as is your pedantic attitude to punctuation-not in itself a bad thing).secondly:your debating style ( self-assured,agressive,) is of the kind i have come across when dealing with people who were not taught in state schools (though i'm not saying that it doesnt come naturally- i have been accused of the same myself).thirdly -and mainly- your chagrin at my use of the familiar "mate."the only people i know who find this "vulgar",(when used amiably,albeit inaccurately),have been the (mostly) middle-class families and acquaintances of friends of mine who attended public school.

none of which matters a sh1t,it was just an educated guess.

"...someday this war's gonna end..."

James Blast wrote:"...someday this war's gonna end..."

come now,brother blast of the bar,this is just conversation.

i doubt that richey james is petty enough to consider it a war- and i certainly don't.

...but if everyones sick of it then i'll shut up.

This is as an aside to the debate that is going on here ...

Remembrance And Defiance

At 12 o'clock noon this Thursday (tomorrow) there's going to be a two minute silence to remember the victims of the bombs which exploded a week earlier, during rush hour last Thursday morning. Buses will stop, businesses will stop, everything still for two minutes.

It's a gesture of compassion and sympathy and remembrance, but also maybe a gesture of defiance - and so there's a thought that wherever we are, we should go out on to the streets, and observe the silence there, in public.

The whole of Britain, standing on our streets, which we will always own and defend, in silence.

Please pass this on to everyone you know

It's being doing the rounds on the London email circuit today and was confirmed in the ES tonite. Red Ken has confirmed that all that he controls will be participating. All the major corporates are going for it as well. I'll take my guys out as well.

we're doing it at school

not a dickie bird was said about this at work today (they're all too busy moaning about the heat) so I will make sure that it is the first thing I talk about when I get in tomorrow.

I only heard about it listening to Radio 5Live last night. At midnight. Go figure.

I'll turn off Media Player and my record player, and try to type a little quieter.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:however,i still think that it is perfectly within the confines of reason to look beyond the obvious with regard to the culpability of the state and it's agents in matters of national security.

i think your implied suggestion that recent events were in some way conceived by "agents of the state" is at best foolish and at worst distasteful. try to remember that dozens of families are still mourning for those who are missing before peddling your ridiculous theories.

and as someone who shares my concerns about the increasing use of draconian new powers to curtail our centuries old rights i'm sure you'll have already signed the no2id pledge?

as for being the product of a public school: sorry to disappoint but it is still possible to get a perfectly good education in the state sector.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: :your debating style ( self-assured,agressive,)

LOL. "Self assured", yes. Aggressive????? Think you may be confusing him with me!!

Remembrance & Defiance.

Everyone emptied into the streets. The two minutes was impeccably observed. London did fall silent. Very, very moving indeed. Spontaneous applause rang out the end.

RicheyJames wrote:

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:however,i still think that it is perfectly within the confines of reason to look beyond the obvious with regard to the culpability of the state and it's agents in matters of national security.

i think your implied suggestion that recent events were in some way conceived by "agents of the state" is at best foolish and at worst distasteful. try to remember that dozens of families are still mourning for those who are missing before peddling your ridiculous theories.

and as someone who shares my concerns about the increasing use of draconian new powers to curtail our centuries old rights i'm sure you'll have already signed the no2id pledge?

as for being the product of a public school: sorry to disappoint but it is still possible to get a perfectly good education in the state sector.

i have nothing but respect and sympathy for all those affected by recent events.as with 9/11,the families of the victims are often first amongst those questioning the official line.(also,as i'm sure you are well aware,"culpability" covers a far broader spectrum than just carrying out the bombings.)
and these are not my theories.if you remember,we were discussing items posted elsewhere.since you and i obviously hold irreconcilable opinions -which i believe is still one of our "centuries old rights"- i see no value in discussing them further in open forum.

i have no disappointment in the quality of state schools.my own education and that of my children is perfectly adequate.perhaps the reason for your blinkered world view lies elsewhere.

and no,the no2id pledge isn't among the many petitions against id cards and other infringements of civil rights that i have signed recently.however,i shall amend this forthwith;thank-you for bringing it to my attention.

Johnny M wrote:This is as an aside to the debate that is going on here ...

Remembrance And Defiance

At 12 o'clock noon this Thursday (tomorrow) there's going to be a two minute silence to remember the victims of the bombs which exploded a week earlier, during rush hour last Thursday morning. Buses will stop, businesses will stop, everything still for two minutes.

It's a gesture of compassion and sympathy and remembrance, but also maybe a gesture of defiance - and so there's a thought that wherever we are, we should go out on to the streets, and observe the silence there, in public.

The whole of Britain, standing on our streets, which we will always own and defend, in silence.

Please pass this on to everyone you know

It's being doing the rounds on the London email circuit today and was confirmed in the ES tonite. Red Ken has confirmed that all that he controls will be participating. All the major corporates are going for it as well. I'll take my guys out as well.

Even here in Belgium, public transportation stopped a couple of minutes to remember the London victims.

Then again, public transport here would stop for everything. It means two minutes of NOT working...

With all due respect, I wonder when we will have a day-silence for, for example 76, 130, 26 and 40.

Although I have to admit I am more willing to spend two minutes in silence for people killed in London than to spend them for victims in the US of A. Closer to my own door I fear...

It's a sad world, in which we have to make choices about which victims we are going to give our two-minute attention to...

(Not feeling too well these last couple of days, hence the rant. It will pass, rest assured )

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
With all due respect, I wonder when we will have a day-silence for, for example 76, 130, 26 and 40.
IZ.

Don't be daft. People don't usually have any sort of silence for 'funny little brown people'.

Mrs RicheyJames wrote:
Don't be daft. People don't usually have any sort of silence for 'funny little brown people'.

Oh, they have. The wrong kind of silence.

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

Mrs RicheyJames wrote:
Don't be daft. People don't usually have any sort of silence for 'funny little brown people'.

Oh, they have. The wrong kind of silence.

IZ.

unfortunately that is far too true.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

Mrs RicheyJames wrote:
Don't be daft. People don't usually have any sort of silence for 'funny little brown people'.

Oh, they have. The wrong kind of silence.

IZ.

unfortunately that is far too true.

i had a similar thought this morning when i read about a small item about that 3 train pile-up in pakistan

Of, course, it is a tad naïve to hope that, one day, everyone starts caring as much for the 'rest of the world' as they do for their nearest and dearest...

But having a two-minute silence in Belgium for 50 deaths in London (and a couple of years ago 5 minutes for the American deaths) feels not right to me...

It feels like we only having respect for the Western World


IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:It feels like we only having respect for the Western World

isn't that always the way?

So, the Leeds connection:

It turns out that Shahzad Tanweer, the 22-year-old suspected suicide-bomber, used to go to Wortley High School, where mrs fiend used to teach. She's pretty gutted; she remembers Shahzad as one of the brightest kids in his year and is completely at a loss to explain this.

The rest of the Tanweer family are devastated; they are as much victims of this horror as any other bereaved family.

I hope these BNP fuckwits realise this.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:i have nothing but respect and sympathy for all those affected by recent events.as with 9/11,the families of the victims are often first amongst those questioning the official line.(also,as i'm sure you are well aware,"culpability" covers a far broader spectrum than just carrying out the bombings.)

well it's perfectly understandable that those personally touched by these tragedies should try to find some deeper meaning to events. i fail to see how this excuses you from propogating baseless "theories" which serve only to deflect from the real problem here which is how we explain how a group of young british men can become so radicalised that they believe that blowing themselves up is a reasonable course of action and how we reach out to young muslims so that they feel included in british society rather than pushed into the open arms of extremists.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:and these are not my theories.if you remember,we were discussing items posted elsewhere.

really? was this not you then:

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:apart from taking the heat off of g.w.bush's (lack of) enviromental commitments at the g8 -not to mention all the lovely new freedom-restricting laws that will ensue.id cards anybody?- would we (london) have still got the olympics if the bombing had happened two days before?i think not.
and another thing- the general election wasnt so long ago.if the intent was the same as is assumed with regard to madrid (ie influencing the electorate against involvement in iraq) why not then?

i didn't see anyone else making those particular points?

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:perhaps the reason for your blinkered world view lies elsewhere.

i have a blinkered world view? is that because i disagree with you? or because i have a natural tendency to treat such garbage with a hefty dose of scepticism?

Mrs RicheyJames wrote:I hope these BNP fuckwits realise this.

I won't be holding my breath though (unfortunately)

Mrs RicheyJames wrote:I hope these BNP fuckwits realise this.

Me too. IIUC there was an "incident" at a Mosque in Armley earlier this week; I wouldn't be surprised if the big one in Leeds 6 goes up this weekend. I saw some vaguely skinhead-looking people filling up a large container with diesel last night; that gave me cause for concern. Does diesel work as well as petrol in petrol bombs does anyone know?

I'm aware that I might be being paranoid, but I'm getting jumpy. The cordoned off suspected "bomb factory" on Alexandra Grove is less than a mile from my house and I pass it every day on the way to/from work.