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I-yi-yi, Bartoszek. Let's walk and talk, shall we?

Repeat this to yourself, over and over, if you would: "Manson is NOT G*TH"!

just back, i had a little chat whit my bitch (),
yes more a monologue but still a walk'n' talk.

manson's not goth ? can't be, look at his pale skin, no not the make-up, look at his black hair, listen to his dark and gloomy music, then tell my he's not goth king

Bartoszek wrote:...look at his pale skin, no not the make-up, look at his black hair...

So that makes Buster Keaton a goth as well, then?

@Bartoszek: I bet that topic bored her to death.

That dog's stunning!

we weren't talked about that, our topic was: "where's the cat?!"

and now on-topic, dose anyone gonna tell my the definition of word "goth music" ?
that's why i written about goth as only pale skin and black hair.
and here's another question am i goth when I'm listening Sisters, Bauhaus, Joy Division is that enough to be goth ? (obviously I'm expect answer: "no", but now everyone will write "yes" )
of course we can talk about who-beauty-is-my-bitch, but thats really boring for me.
thanks in advance.

Bartoszek wrote: manson's not goth ? can't be, look at his pale skin, no not the make-up, look at his black hair, listen to his dark and gloomy music, then tell my he's not goth king

f**k Manson, Captain Sabertooth is the ultimate übergoth, as evidenced in this pic:

Do true goffs have a moustache?

Ozpat wrote:Do true goffs have a moustache?

Why indeed! Lookie:









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Ozpat wrote:Do true goffs have a moustache?

Silly man - both of them do!!

Carcharoth wrote:

Ozpat wrote:Do true goffs have a moustache?

Why indeed! Lookie:

Ladies and gentlemen, the mystery is solved! It turns out that has been masquerading as Dieter Meier from Yello all these years!:lol:

But on a serious note…

The other night I was listening to Floodland for the first time in a while, while I will admit under the influence of some of Jamaica’s finest horticulture, and it occurred to me that the Sisters are gothic in the purest sense of the word. Let me explain.

If you look at gothic architecture, you’ll notice some defining characteristics, principally that everything that goes to support the building is on the outside (flying buttresses, that sort of thing). This leaves the inside to be a high, soaring space. This is the way I hear Sisters music – the intros layer-in sound, first drums, then organ, then guitar, and it’s only when the support has been built that the voice comes in. The voice alone can’t carry it, in the way that it can with blues, for example, which only really needs a rhythm line to provide tempo.

If you take Dominion as an example – you start with a drumbeat, then the guitar comes in, then the bass line, and only when the cathedral is built does the voice kick in. The voice can only start when the guitars and drums have built a space for it to work in, without them it can’t work.

It’s all about the layering, the foundations as it were. The music works only when all the elements are acting in concert – take one away, a buttress if you like, and everything falls apart. If you close your eyes you can almost see the music building a venue for the vocals, which need a soaring empty space to achieve maximum potential.

Maybe it's time I laid off the doobage...

EvilBastard wrote:

Carcharoth wrote:

Ozpat wrote:Do true goffs have a moustache?

Why indeed! Lookie:

Ladies and gentlemen, the mystery is solved! It turns out that has been masquerading as Dieter Meier from Yello all these years!:lol:

That explains why there's been no new Sisters albums from for the last 14 years; he's been busy recording with Yello

But on a serious note, I'd consider FaLaA and Floodland to be goff albums, yes. But Vision Thing strikes me as a more stadium rock oriented album (but with better lyrics than most stadium rock bands had at the time). I don't really know what to describe their new, live-only songs as. Straight forward rock, maybe?

EvilBastard wrote:But on a serious note…

The other night I was listening to Floodland for the first time in a while, while I will admit under the influence of some of Jamaica’s finest horticulture, and it occurred to me that the Sisters are gothic in the purest sense of the word. Let me explain.

If you look at gothic architecture, you’ll notice some defining characteristics, principally that everything that goes to support the building is on the outside (flying buttresses, that sort of thing). This leaves the inside to be a high, soaring space. This is the way I hear Sisters music – the intros layer-in sound, first drums, then organ, then guitar, and it’s only when the support has been built that the voice comes in. The voice alone can’t carry it, in the way that it can with blues, for example, which only really needs a rhythm line to provide tempo.

If you take Dominion as an example – you start with a drumbeat, then the guitar comes in, then the bass line, and only when the cathedral is built does the voice kick in. The voice can only start when the guitars and drums have built a space for it to work in, without them it can’t work.

It’s all about the layering, the foundations as it were. The music works only when all the elements are acting in concert – take one away, a buttress if you like, and everything falls apart. If you close your eyes you can almost see the music building a venue for the vocals, which need a soaring empty space to achieve maximum potential.

Maybe it's time I laid off the doobage...

Dude... like... huhuhu... that is like... so profound.

Joking aside I think that it's an excellent observation.

Are we still chewing over this one?

It all comes down to personal opinion and deffinition of what is "goth", I suppose. As far as I'm concerned, The Sisters most deffinately are not goth. Never have been, never will be.

Syberberg wrote:Are we still chewing over this one?

It all comes down to personal opinion and deffinition of what is "goth", I suppose. As far as I'm concerned, The Sisters most deffinately are not goth. Never have been, never will be.

But FLAA and Floodland were Goth accidents waiting to happen. Maybe they were n't intended to be goth but bloody hell AE has no right too complain. Look at the imagery.

Gollum's Cock wrote: But FLAA and Floodland were Goth accidents waiting to happen. Maybe they were n't intended to be goth but bloody hell AE has no right too complain. Look at the imagery.

Imagery ? I can't see no church or graveyard... (Yeah, I know, Damage Done. We all make mistakes.)

Gothic is architecture (and by extension, literature, but that I already find a bit far-fetched), it ain't music.

Badlander wrote:

Gollum's Cock wrote: But FLAA and Floodland were Goth accidents waiting to happen. Maybe they were n't intended to be goth but bloody hell AE has no right too complain. Look at the imagery.

Imagery ? I can't see no church or graveyard... (Yeah, I know, Damage Done. We all make mistakes.)

Gothic is architecture (and by extension, literature, but that I already find a bit far-fetched), it ain't music.

That would also exclude Mish, The Cure, Nephilim etc. Which brings us back too, what is Goth music?

Fools....

Gollum's Cock wrote:

Badlander wrote:

Gollum's Cock wrote: But FLAA and Floodland were Goth accidents waiting to happen. Maybe they were n't intended to be goth but bloody hell AE has no right too complain. Look at the imagery.

Imagery ? I can't see no church or graveyard... (Yeah, I know, Damage Done. We all make mistakes.)

Gothic is architecture (and by extension, literature, but that I already find a bit far-fetched), it ain't music.

That would also exclude Mish, The Cure, Nephilim etc. Which brings us back too, what is Goth music?

It's techno with added horror, horror.

(not to be confused with The Horrorist - he's just techno).

@ EB - excellent analysis indeed, ah the strange powers of doob.

Gollum's Cock wrote: But FLAA and Floodland were Goth accidents waiting to happen. Maybe they were n't intended to be goth but bloody hell AE has no right too complain. Look at the imagery.

Ooh, you just knew I'd not be able to resist replying didn't you?

I honestly can't find any goth imagery in FALAA, nor Floodland either.

I think I can see where you are coming from in regards to the intro of This Corrosion, but in one of my more twisted moments I thought it would be really good as the background music to the Space Shuttle Challenger accident.

The Sisters have always lived in the world as is, with an eye on the Futurist side of things and escapism via chemistry.

Gollum's Cock wrote: That would also exclude Mish, The Cure, Nephilim etc.

I'm comfortable with that.

Which brings us back too, what is Goth music?

An all-encompassing term some lazy journalist came up with in the very early 80s, and which is not to be confused with the 80s underground rock scene most of us like.

I've always taken 'goth' to denote self-absorbed twits waxing romantic about vampires, kinky sex and being misunderstood. The Sisters are about as goth as Leonard Cohen. The Neph I guess are a little too weird, even for 'goth,' and I proudly have too little exposure to the Mish to know where it falls in that regard. The Sisters tend to sing about life (and HAL), while goth tends to be overwrought, poorly done, dashed off vampire crap. So what does that make Rosetta Stone, who never wrote songs about vampires to my knowledge? I don't know.

I want to be in a band that looks goth, but only sings REM-esque pop songs about dinosaurs.

Badlander wrote:

Which brings us back too, what is Goth music?

An all-encompassing term some lazy journalist came up with in the very early 80s, and which is not to be confused with the 80s underground rock scene most of us like.

Probably the same pond life that came up with "Positive Punk" to initially label the same thing.