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Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 15:13
by Dan
Being645 wrote:What a lovely thread ...
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Does anybody know whether that gig at L'Ancienne Belgique really took place ...
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And how about the one at Brixton Ace on 19.06.1983? The Wiki gives the 21.06 as the date ...
17.04.1983 - Plan K, Brussels is not listed, either ...
lachert wrote:on my guru maharaja, christer andersson, site.
alsow these dates, which are not in wiki too:
10.02.1983 Brixton Ace, London, England
04.03.1983 Warehouse, Liverpool, England
21.03.1983 L'ancien, Brussels, Belgium
17.04.1983 Plan K, Brussels, Belgium
19.06.1983 Brixton Ace, London, England
17.08.1983 Plan K, Brussels, Belgium
No idea on the Ancienne one. It looks wrong to me and I'd want to see some evidence before I believed it.
As for Brixton, there's loads of wrong Brixton dates caused by people putting wrong dates on the bootlegs. I'd say 19.6.83 is one of those misdated boots (probably 19.2.83).
Looking at the wiki I've also never heard of a gig on 10.2.83, it's probably a misdated 19.2.83.
I've also seen the 19.2.83 listed as 10.3.83 & 17.3.83, so I'd be dubious of those 2 dates too.
Wiki lists a gig on 17.3.83 but I always thought 10.3.83 was the correct date but I can't remember why I thought that. Is there any evidence of either 10 or 17.3.83 I wonder?
Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 15:47
by Being645
Dan wrote:
Wiki lists a gig on 17.3.83 but I always thought 10.3.83 was the correct date but I can't remember why I thought that. Is there any evidence of either 10 or 17.3.83 I wonder?
Don't know whether this is evidence enough ...
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http://sisterswiki.org/Halloween_In_Arkham ...
http://sisterswiki.org/File:Halloween_i ... m_back.jpg
As to 10.2. - sounds very reasonable ... I shall make an according remark in the Wiki there ... thanks for yor assistance ...
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Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 16:18
by Dan
Being645 wrote:Dan wrote:
Wiki lists a gig on 17.3.83 but I always thought 10.3.83 was the correct date but I can't remember why I thought that. Is there any evidence of either 10 or 17.3.83 I wonder?
Don't know whether this is evidence enough ...
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http://sisterswiki.org/Halloween_In_Arkham ...
http://sisterswiki.org/File:Halloween_i ... m_back.jpg
As to 10.2. - sounds very reasonable ... I shall make an according remark in the Wiki there ... thanks for yor assistance ...
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Halloween in Arkham is one of the wrongly dated boots. It's an incomplete recording(has the first 4 songs missing) of 19.2.83.
Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 18:34
by Being645
Dan wrote:
Halloween in Arkham is one of the wrongly dated boots. It's an incomplete recording(has the first 4 songs missing) of 19.2.83.
I wonder ...
17.3 has an identical setlist, while
19.2. clearly has another order of songs. Sister Ray is also not listed there ...
In addition,
Carmina Burana does also give 17.3 as the date for the recording ...
But how did you get to your conclusion? From audience recordings with complete gigs?
Perhaps one can hear it? I don't know as I don't have anything but Halloween rips ...
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Anyway, for 1983 the Wiki lists gigs at Brixton Ace on: 10.02. / 19.02 / 17.03 / 06.04 / 21.06 and 29.06.
Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 19:15
by Dan
Being645 wrote:Dan wrote:
Halloween in Arkham is one of the wrongly dated boots. It's an incomplete recording(has the first 4 songs missing) of 19.2.83.
I wonder ...
17.3 has an identical setlist, while
19.2. clearly has another order of songs. Sister Ray is also not listed there ...
In addition,
Carmina Burana does also give 17.3 as the date for the recording ...
But how did you get to your conclusion? From audience recordings with complete gigs?
Perhaps one can hear it? I don't know as I don't have anything but Halloween rips ...
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Anyway, for 1983 the Wiki lists gigs at Brixton Ace on: 10.02. / 19.02 / 17.03 / 06.04 / 21.06 and 29.06.
The 17.3 wiki page is the setlist of Halloween In Arkham, so the last 5 songs don't even belong there, and none of it belongs there because the first 6 songs are 19.2.83.
The 19.2 wiki page is the setlist for the 29.6.83 gig.
19.2.83 exists as an audience recording with setlist...
Kiss the carpet, Floorshow, Watch, Adrenochrome, Alice, Valentine, Anaconda, Body Electric, 1969, Sister Ray.
In addition the last 6 songs also exist in much better quality (mixing desk), Halloween In Arkham being one version.
29.6.83 exists as 2 versions, a complete audience recording and a video with some songs missing/incomplete.
Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 19:33
by Being645
Thank you very much ...
... that clears things up ...
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so I can adjust the info in the Wiki, accordingly ...
Posted: 25 Jan 2012, 21:09
by paint it black
Being645 wrote:Thank you very much ...
... that clears things up ...
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so I can adjust the info in the Wiki, accordingly ...
http://www.lak.co.za/pib/
the cyan is because i can't be bothered to update them
Posted: 26 Jan 2012, 02:27
by Being645
paint it black wrote:Being645 wrote:Thank you very much ...
... that clears things up ...
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so I can adjust the info in the Wiki, accordingly ...
http://www.lak.co.za/pib/
the cyan is because i can't be bothered to update them
No matter, maybe one day when you find pleasure in it again ...
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Anyway, now with that Megaupload and SOPA/PIPA stuff it looks like a few things might reverse to the last century ...
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Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 04:30
by Being645
Dan wrote:
The 17.3 wiki page is the setlist of Halloween In Arkham, so the last 5 songs don't even belong there, and none of it belongs there because the first 6 songs are 19.2.83.
The 19.2 wiki page is the setlist for the 29.6.83 gig.
19.2.83 exists as an audience recording with setlist...
Kiss the carpet, Floorshow, Watch, Adrenochrome, Alice, Valentine, Anaconda, Body Electric, 1969, Sister Ray.
In addition the last 6 songs also exist in much better quality (mixing desk), Halloween In Arkham being one version.
29.6.83 exists as 2 versions, a complete audience recording and a video with some songs missing/incomplete.
@ Dan
So then, that much about those gigs:
http://sisterswiki.org/Thu,_10-Feb-1983
http://sisterswiki.org/Sat,_19-Feb-1983
http://sisterswiki.org/Thu,_17-Mar-1983
http://sisterswiki.org/Wed,_29-Jun-1983
@ paint it black
P.S.: Lovely, you called it "A Golden Shower" ...
Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 05:10
by Dan
Looks good, except your "setlist from the Italian life book" for 17 March is the tracklist for Halloween In Arkham with Jolene bunged on the end, the setlist looks wrong for a gig, and Poison Door was never performed live and in March'83 it hadn't even been written yet!
Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 05:25
by Being645
Dan wrote:Looks good, except your "setlist from the Italian life book" for 17 March is the tracklist for Halloween In Arkham with Jolene bunged on the end, the setlist looks wrong for a gig, and Poison Door was never performed live and in March'83 it hadn't even been written yet!
oh yes ...
... that's why I wrote about the inaccuracy of that book. I have a copy and that's in fact the setlist given there ...
But I'm sure, you're right. So I will also mention that Poison Door did not even exist at that time ...
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If only anyone knew whether that gig took place at all, and when ...
in a way, if there are so many sources claiming that day for the origin of their recordings and stuff,
this definitely supports the idea that there actually was a gig ... hell, sigh ...
so, now ...
http://sisterswiki.org/Thu,_17-Mar-1983#Setlist
Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 08:34
by Ozpat
Love threads like this!
Posted: 29 Jan 2012, 22:55
by Rise891