Who the f**k would want to occupy CoventryRamone wrote:It's a shame the people of Coventry, Leicester and all those parts of England just can't get on with each other.
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Good Point Mr C, indeed occupation would be one thing, living there would be a living nightmare. The place was bombed back to the stone age during the war - and I think nothings changed!!
They even used to 'send people to Coventry' - so even back then, people where forced to go there!! I saw the Sisters there back in 1985 and I honestly thought I'd been transported back in time!! It was shocking!
Looks like the people in the Middle East may have to stock up on big sunglasses and sun cream with a base factor of about a million pretty soon
plenty of toilet rolls and a few cans of beans - and a supply of some good lesbo porn mags to help pass the time. ( I know I'm not the only one thinking that. am i ?)
They even used to 'send people to Coventry' - so even back then, people where forced to go there!! I saw the Sisters there back in 1985 and I honestly thought I'd been transported back in time!! It was shocking!
Looks like the people in the Middle East may have to stock up on big sunglasses and sun cream with a base factor of about a million pretty soon
plenty of toilet rolls and a few cans of beans - and a supply of some good lesbo porn mags to help pass the time. ( I know I'm not the only one thinking that. am i ?)
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Are you referring to me ?ruffers wrote:Another one here who doesn't really know enought about it to give it any kind of analysis, but reacting to the headlines the Israeli's appear to react somewhat disproportionately.
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I was referring to this comment...
Zuma wrote:... I for one do not have the depth of knowledge to explain what is going on or a deep enough understanding of the history....
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Hizbollah don't have the backing of the Lebanese government or people. Or at least they didn't until Israel massively overreacted to the kidnapping of some soldiers.
The USA will never force Israel to back down. The "back Israel no matter what" faction is too powerful a lobby in Washington.
It could be that Israel are trying to provoke a war with Syria and Iran so they have an excuse to launch air-strikes against Iran's nuclear program.
The USA will never force Israel to back down. The "back Israel no matter what" faction is too powerful a lobby in Washington.
It could be that Israel are trying to provoke a war with Syria and Iran so they have an excuse to launch air-strikes against Iran's nuclear program.
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yes, I was thinking the same but I just can't figure a good reason why. I mean we can all talk about it and speak hypothetically but that’s far away from actually launching a missile. Israel must know there will be response from the rest of the world or are they so convinced they will be aloud to do whatever they choose?markfiend wrote:It could be that Israel are trying to provoke a war with Syria and Iran so they have an excuse to launch air-strikes against Iran's nuclear program.
Another thing I just read was some Israeli spokesman taking about changes that will be made on the Israeli / Lebanon borders. (is this just a new way to gain new territory?)
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From an Israeli viewpoint, being able to get rid of an nuclear energy program (that maybe could be uprated to an nuclear weapons program... maybe) in a country that has consistently refused to recognise the state of Israel, and in fact denies its right to exist, might be seen as a "good reason", and never mind the bad press.christophe wrote:yes, I was thinking the same but I just can't figure a good reason why.markfiend wrote:It could be that Israel are trying to provoke a war with Syria and Iran so they have an excuse to launch air-strikes against Iran's nuclear program.
Israel has never been all that bothered about international opinion; they know the US will always back them up.
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FYI, Hizbollah actually holds more than a few seats in the Lebanese government (12? 23? I can't recall), so at least some elements of the Lebanese government are backing them.markfiend wrote:Hizbollah don't have the backing of the Lebanese government or people. Or at least they didn't until Israel massively overreacted to the kidnapping of some soldiers.
Also, for what it's worth, about six months ago the BBC reported on Iranian reinforcements of Hizbollah positions along the border (bulletproof glass, etc. Maybe I can find the link later), and included a brief interview with an Israeli commander who commented that they knew the Iranians and Hizbollah were up to something, but didn't know what, exactly. The problem is that the Lebanese government has been either unable or unwilling to put pressure on Hizbollah to stop attacks on Israel (not just the kidnappings, but daily bombardment with short range rockets); for what it's worth, I tend to think the Lebanese government has been unable to control Hezbollah, who pretty much run the southern end of Lebanon. They just don't have the force. The problem is, an unrestrained Hezbollah is going to eventually invite just the sort of attention the Lebanese people don't need; and between the Hamas kidnappings and those of Hezbollah, as well as the continual cross-border rocket fire, this sort of conflict was inevitable. It was only a matter of time before Israel would make the decision to do something about Hizbollah.
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I suppose that the situation in some ways parallels the IRA in the 70s and 80s; Sinn Fein had MPs and so could have been said to have had "at least some elements of the [...] government [...] backing them". (Although the Sinn Fein MPs refused to sit back then, refusing to swear fealty to the Queen IIRC.)
There were effectively areas of Northern Ireland under IRA control too. And like Hezbollah in Lebanon, the notion that the UK government could control the IRA back then is, I'm sure you would agree, untenable.
As I understand it, Hamas and Hezbollah aren't particularly linked other than in a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sense; IIRC Hezbollah is a Shia Muslim group, Hamas is a Sunni group (although it might be the other way round) and in other circumstances would likely be antagonistic to each other.
I doubt whether there was any prior collusion between the two groups' kidnappings. My gut instinct is that the Hezbollah kidnappings were a kind of "copy-cat". I agree that Israel's retaliation was inevitable, if predictably heavy-handed. The cycle of violence is likely to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, I fear. Israel and Iran are squaring up to each other; who knows what kind of brinksmanship they could push each other to?
But then, Israel/Palestine is an area that has been fought over almost constantly throughout recorded history. And they call it "The Holy Land"
There were effectively areas of Northern Ireland under IRA control too. And like Hezbollah in Lebanon, the notion that the UK government could control the IRA back then is, I'm sure you would agree, untenable.
As I understand it, Hamas and Hezbollah aren't particularly linked other than in a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sense; IIRC Hezbollah is a Shia Muslim group, Hamas is a Sunni group (although it might be the other way round) and in other circumstances would likely be antagonistic to each other.
I doubt whether there was any prior collusion between the two groups' kidnappings. My gut instinct is that the Hezbollah kidnappings were a kind of "copy-cat". I agree that Israel's retaliation was inevitable, if predictably heavy-handed. The cycle of violence is likely to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, I fear. Israel and Iran are squaring up to each other; who knows what kind of brinksmanship they could push each other to?
But then, Israel/Palestine is an area that has been fought over almost constantly throughout recorded history. And they call it "The Holy Land"
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If the rumour is true that the US have given Israel another week to eliminate Hizbollah, that is utterly despicable. This will mean that more civilians on either side will be killed.
I think the response of the US and Britain has been very revealing. Blair's shown himself to be nothing but a puppet and that Britain will go along with US policy on pretty much everything where foreign affairs is concerned. Disgusting. One civilian killed is one too many.
I think the response of the US and Britain has been very revealing. Blair's shown himself to be nothing but a puppet and that Britain will go along with US policy on pretty much everything where foreign affairs is concerned. Disgusting. One civilian killed is one too many.
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yesterday I heard our army is gedding ready to send troups over, and I'm talking about the Big wapons, not just to protect other Belgians. No they would be used in the conflict itself....
I didn't even knew we had a army
yesterday I heard our army is gedding ready to send troups over, and I'm talking about the Big wapons, not just to protect other Belgians. No they would be used in the conflict itself....
I didn't even knew we had a army
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At least you don't have the image that the British will have in the Arab world (if you didn't take part in the invasion of Iraq). I can't think of anyone less appropriate to be sent on a peace m*****n than Blair or Rice after the suffering that Britain and the US have caused in Iraq.christophe wrote:(this is not official)
yesterday I heard our army is gedding ready to send troups over, and I'm talking about the Big wapons, not just to protect other Belgians. No they would be used in the conflict itself....
I didn't even knew we had a army
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The Iraelis have got their way - my little jaunt to Lebanon has been cancelled, so have rebooked for 9 days to a country begining with S which is not a million miles from there but I'm not saying the name in case they decide to mess with this holiday too. The b'stards.
Just like to say a great big "sorry" to the people in Lebanon - it's a bit rough that Israel bombs your country just to stop me from taking vacation, but I promise that when you've patched up the airport and the Beirut/Damascus highway, I'll be back.
Just like to say a great big "sorry" to the people in Lebanon - it's a bit rough that Israel bombs your country just to stop me from taking vacation, but I promise that when you've patched up the airport and the Beirut/Damascus highway, I'll be back.
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So Saudi-Arabia then?EvilBastard wrote:The Iraelis have got their way - my little jaunt to Lebanon has been cancelled, so have rebooked for 9 days to a country begining with S which is not a million miles from there but I'm not saying the name in case they decide to mess with this holiday too. The b'stards.
Just like to say a great big "sorry" to the people in Lebanon - it's a bit rough that Israel bombs your country just to stop me from taking vacation, but I promise that when you've patched up the airport and the Beirut/Damascus highway, I'll be back.
Olmert is informed and will take care of this.
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
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Not Saudi...Sloughcanon docre wrote:So Saudi-Arabia then?
Olmert is informed and will take care of this.
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Slovenia?EvilBastard wrote:Not Saudi...Sloughcanon docre wrote:So Saudi-Arabia then?
Olmert is informed and will take care of this.
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
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Everybody got a destination, everybody got a place to go. I may have to take the Train...mh wrote:So long as you got a ticket to there, you may be OK.
EDIT: DOH!!! Just got that
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While the eyes of the world are firmly fixed on the Middle East and the ears of the world on every single childlike and ignorant statement that George Dubyah Bush makes; Now would be the perfect time to invade France, give them a good kickin' and be back home in time for 'That 70's show"! Just a thought, that's all, sleep well.
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Weird - I hear that there's a song from Lucas Fox's 1986 album that's enjoying a resurgence of popularity with Beirut's yoof...Johnny M wrote:And once again The Cure are #1 in the Israeli charts. And why not.
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Well, after all the fighting, there are a couple of holes in it..markfiend wrote: And they call it "The Holy Land"
I can not understand one thing: The Mossad people have been able to pick distinct cars out of the traffic, hit them and thus kill distinct people. The Israeli have proven to be able to use their military like a scalpel.
Now, they rather seem to have swapped the scalpel for a club or hammer.
The wrong means against a group like the hezbolah, I´d think..
The impression I get is that they try to make Syria react and maybe to provoke Iran to act, too. Just to get a chance to show them what they had learned from holocaust about how to defend themselves.
The statements Ahmadinejad made about Israel had to lead to a reaction sooner or later.
A former israelian ambassador who was interviewed on german TV described the Israelian attack as an understandable mistake, which probably is the best way to put it.
The hezbolah are some kind of a cancer to lebanon. You can`t cure a cancer with a hammer. I expect this conflict to further radicalize muslims and isreali.
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