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Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 15:22**

czuczu wrote:'s on an Ice T track but I picked it up from a Ninja Tunes/Coldcut set where it was wrapped around something by Plastikman - maybe thats what you're thinking of?

nope nope nope..

The tune I'm thinking off is a hell of a lot heavier than plastikmans style.. we're talking kind of underground acid tekno.. phat tune, one of the few acid tekno tracks I still have in my box(es)...

The sample forms the break halfway through the record you see... bit of a bugger to mix back in as I always lose my time during it..

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 15:50**

"He who would sacrifice personal liberties in the name of security deserves neither".

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 16:09**

markfiend wrote:I hate this. I know damn well that this is all because of the Blair government's foreign policy but did these fÃ¼ckers not see the anti-war marches? Killing people in protest against a war we didn't want either? What's that all about?

Yeah, didn't they see a million of you taking to the streets three years ago, and then resuming your daily lives.

Suicide bombers are fÃ¼cking cowards. A noble act of self sacrifice? BullshÃ®t. It's not brave to hide some explosives under your coat or in your bag and then go and kill a load of civilians who probably largely agreed with you anyway. CÃ¼nts.

Real Brave Men [tm] clusterbomb villages with phosphorous bombs sitting in a B-2 at 5000 m or send Apache missiles from 3000 km away from their civilan victims who all wanted the war.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 16:14**

Quiff Boy wrote:one might also consider that as we have had no visible terrorist activity for a while, the public are again beginning to question why we are involved in this "war", and exactly what are we achieving...

thus a nice little terrorist alert, complete with a handful of scapegoats, might "focus" people's attention and bring them back "on message"

My first thoughts exactly. It's pretty skilled of your "homeland security" to send the entire nation into a frenzied state of irrational fear just by arresting some people on the grounds of "planning to blow aeroplanes up". These governments of yours seem to have cause and effect all mixed up.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 16:50**

mugabe wrote:Yeah, didn't they see a million of you taking to the streets three years ago, and then resuming your daily lives.

Yeah? What do they want? What do you want? It's wrong, we protested, no-one listened. So they blow us up. That seems a balanced response.

mugabe wrote:Real Brave Men [tm] clusterbomb villages with phosphorous bombs sitting in a B-2 at 5000 m or send Apache missiles from 3000 km away from their civilan victims who all wanted the war.

Oh fÃ¼ck that. So it's our fault now is it? An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

There's what, nearly 3000 US and UK soldiers been killed in Iraq now? I know that "this war is wrong" but however misguided their (our) political leaders, they're trying to keep the place safe. (For the sake of balance, I will mention that at least 40000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the conflict.)

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 16:57**

markfiend wrote:
mugabe wrote:Yeah, didn't they see a million of you taking to the streets three years ago, and then resuming your daily lives.
Yeah? What do they want? What do you want? It's wrong, we protested, no-one listened. So they blow us up. That seems a balanced response.
mugabe wrote:Real Brave Men [tm] clusterbomb villages with phosphorous bombs sitting in a B-2 at 5000 m or send Apache missiles from 3000 km away from their civilan victims who all wanted the war.

Oh fÃ¼ck that. So it's our fault now is it? An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

There's what, nearly 3000 US and UK soldiers been killed in Iraq now? I know that "this war is wrong" but however misguided their (our) political leaders, they're trying to keep the place safe. (For the sake of balance, I will mention that at least 40000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the conflict.)

LetÂ´s try to count the total number of victims of islamist terror since the declaration of the jihad by some palestinian back in Â´85.. not only westerners, Indian and Africans, Arabians and Persians included. How many thousands do we count?

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 17:02**

Its true though.

When you have nothing left, and you truely believe self 'sacrifice' is the only way to fight...how can a villager fight a missile from a war ship in the red sea? So they attack the people that warship is 'protecting'.

If I might point out, the British FLATTENING of german civilian targets during WWII. One of the best ways to attack the evil nazis was killing the innocent germans. If Blairs governmant are the nazis then we are the germans...I'm not saying its the right thing to do, but I am saying its hardly a presedent, or even an alien concept to us.

Also, like it as not, Blairs government REPRESENTS us, so in affect it is US who are raining bombs on the middle east, its us watching and doing nothing while tanks roll into Lebannon. Is it any wonder terrorists attack US?

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 17:19**

markfiend wrote:There's what, nearly 3000 US and UK soldiers been killed in Iraq now? I know that "this war is wrong" but however misguided their (our) political leaders, they're trying to keep the place safe. (For the sake of balance, I will mention that at least 40000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the conflict.)

Your point being that by getting your soldiers killed in Iraq, your leaders are keeping Britain safe? Or what, Saddam would have invaded? Also, it's your government. Or did I miss the, however small, switch to dictatorship?

40.000 Iraqi civilians, yes, and how many British? 50?
3.000 U.S. and U.K. soldiers, yes, and how many Iraqi? 160.000?

It's always safer to kill people in their own countries. That's why wars of aggression are always preferable. Incidentally, they're also in violation of international law, and partly the reason why people were hanged in Nuremberg.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 17:31**

Stand by, Prestwick - this one's for you...

Clickitty Clickitty BOOM

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 17:48**

Here's a nice little Shockwave game that might provide some insight into the mechanisms of waging war on terrorism:

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Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 17:55**

Maisey wrote:Its true though.

When you have nothing left, and you truely believe self 'sacrifice' is the only way to fight...how can a villager fight a missile from a war ship in the red sea? So they attack the people that warship is 'protecting'.

..only that the persons planning these attacks now were leading a comfortable western-style life in the UK.

Maisey wrote:If I might point out, the British FLATTENING of german civilian targets during WWII. One of the best ways to attack the evil nazis was killing the innocent germans.

It may be disputable if the germans might have prevented HitlerÂ´s regime, but my ancestors must have tollerated him at least. I know my motherÂ´s father joined the NSDAP to pervent him loosing his job at a berlin court. I know too little about my fatherÂ´s father, who died during wartime (though it was an accident at work that killed him, as far as I know..)
By the way, letÂ´s not count the number of cities the nazis flattened. Only they tended to do it by foot, as they had no decent workhorses for strategic air warfare as the leaders couldnÂ´t keep their fingers off the engineersÂ´ work. Thank god they were that stupid to think their intervention could be benefitial..
It was only after the war taking place in german living rooms that there grew a gap between sympathising everyday people and the Nazis. I think that all those who shout for jihad and a total war shoul take a look at what happened in europe 60-some years ago to get an idea of what it looks like if Pandora opens her jolly little box. Maybe these pictures would help them morons shut it up. I donÂ´t mean to neglect the terror the people in Beirut or Baghdad feel when bombs hit their cities. Everytime I see the pictures of Bombs hitting a town, it gives me an ache. I only say it can come a lot worse if nobody steps on the brake. And them dim preachinÂ´ blokes donÂ´t know brakes, nothing written about them in the scriptures.

Maisey wrote:Also, like it as not, Blairs government REPRESENTS us, so in affect it is US who are raining bombs on the middle east, its us watching and doing nothing while tanks roll into Lebannon. Is it any wonder terrorists attack US?

I find it incredibly difficult to decide who is wrong or right about the Israel/Palestine/Syria matter. If the allies hadnÂ´t taken this area for the jews who survived Adolf, ther wouldnÂ´t be a war now. If Adolf hadnÂ´t comitted crimes unprecedented in human history against the jews, there would hav been no need for that. If the middle age christians wouldnÂ´t have hated the jews for crucifying Jesus, Adolf probably wouldnÂ´t have had the idea that there may be jews to shed hatred upon. It seems like this story has a lot of beginnings and no end.
After all, the Israeli have been living where they live for 60 years now, and nobody can claim a right to kill them. ItÂ´s HisbollahÂ´s activity that provoked the war we have now. Activity fuelled by Syria and Iran. LetÂ´s not forget what Ahmadinejad said recently about Israels total destruction and extinction of the jews. Lets not forget that the islamists were rather friendly with the german neonazies, to some point at least. IÂ´d guess they started struggling about obeyance towards a superior arian race and acceptance of Odin as their god..?

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 18:04**

markfiend wrote:"He who would sacrifice personal liberties in the name of security will lose both and deserves neither".

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 18:15**

I don't think Britain would ever have been a target if it wasn't for Blair making us one by attacking Iraq. I don't think the fact that the government has been willing to standby as civilians are killed so that Israel can acheive it's objectives has helped very much either. One can't exagerate the hypocricy of talking about finding a soloution while letting the Americans fly weapons to Israel via a Scottish airport. The US establishment does not want peace. It wants a complete victory for Israel and if innocent Lebanese people have to die then so be it.

I hope that this doesn't blind people to the injustice. It should be making them aware of the danger that Blair and all those who support the US New World Order plan have put this country under.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 18:35**

Driven wrote: One can't exagerate the hypocricy of talking about finding a soloution while letting the Americans fly weapons to Israel via a Scottish airport.

Well, germanyÂ´s Ex-chancelor was celebrated for opposing the Iraq war 2003, while Rammstein airbase was a hub to the U.S. forces logistics. Why havenÂ´t we seen bombings in germany then?
And why the attacks at Barcelona?
German troops are at Afghanistan. Why not us then? IÂ´m sure there is a lot of activity in other countries as well. Only others are lucky enough to have all terrorists caught in time. But a major attack taking place elsewhere is only a question of time, I fear.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 20:40**

It is almost Orwellian. War fuels ecomomies. How can the top 3 arms dealers in the world (UK, USA, French) all talk about ceasefires while still shipping weapons to areas where said ceasefire would be desireable?

Its senceless.

..only that the persons planning these attacks now were leading a comfortable western-style life in the UK

Did these people actually exist? Could the whole thing simply have been a way of justifing tighter controls?

Isn't it a bit like the suggestion in 1984 that there is no war, but because of the nessessity of keeping people in a state of panic the goverment drops missiles on its own people? If it is a deliberate scare it rubs too close to that.

I'm not saying its all a government conspiracy, maybe these people really did have a plan, but how much of the lockdown is over-reaction to what is essentially gossip?

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 21:01**

I guess, if the police forces wouldnt have caught the alleged terrorists in time and the airplanes would have been gone off over the US, everybody would be crying about how the governement isnt doing enough to secure it's inhabitants.

"Erst kommt das Fressen, dann die Moral". Berthold Brecht

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 21:18**

If the planes had blown up then it would be an indication that all the security, the metal detectors, the surveillance, the wire-tapping, the confessions obtained under torture and the loss of civil liberties can't stop someone who's really determined. Which of course they can't. You close one door, they find another one. Thus the "war on terror" is complete testicles - they know they can't win, we know we can't win, but it suits the purposes of the various government engaged in this farcical pursuit to use "war on terror" as an excuse to curtail freedoms.

The question is, of course, why can't I get people with the suicide-bomber mentality to work for me? I mean, these guys are committed, dedicated, and absolutely focused on their purpose. So why is it that I'm surrounded by *%#^@s and @#*&%%$@s? I reckon if you could just reprogram these guys then they'd make fantastic employees.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 22:45**

EvilBastard wrote:Stand by, Prestwick - this one's for you...

Clickitty Clickitty BOOM

I flew out of Prestwick Thursday afternoon after hearing the news on the radio that morning. I arrived prepared, with see-through cabin bag packed and contents restricted to my passport, ticket, wallet and sunglasses (without case). I use a monocular to help me find my way around and I had to argue (providing proof of vision impairment) to be allowed to take it onboard. They relented when I said if I couldnÂ´t take it, IÂ´d require assistance to and from the plane.

IÂ´ve become used to being routinely stopped and questionned at airports, but I was subjected to the 3rd degree at Prestwick, simply due to having a large, black beard. Everybody else I saw was being stopped and briefly questionned but I was held up for longer, and asked some pretty indepth questions about my religious beliefs, personal views on the state of the world today and what I think should be done to solve it! Later on the news, I saw some moron stating that you can generally tell if somebody presents a possible threat to security just by their appearance! IÂ´m not looking forward to the flight back, to put it mildly.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 23:07**

What is it about beards? I've got a pretty mature one and can pretty much guarantee that I'll be "randomly selected" for "additional screening" whenever I travel. Always fun to be had when they go through my carry-on (in more enlightened times) and find a copy of the Koran, Colonel Qaddafi's Little Green Book, and a stack of information on uranium mining (the first 2 are for the p*ss-off value, the last is for work), and see the stamps for Libya and Jordan in the passport. I'm always tempted to point to the inside front cover and ask "Alright, sunshine - now, which bit of 'Her Brittanic Majesty's Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass without let or hindrance' are you having trouble with?"
Time was when Johnny Foreigner would see the blue passport and let you through with appropriate bowing and scraping, recognising that failure to comply with Her Majesty's wishes would result in HMS RighteousKicking turning up on their doorstep to ask why. Those were the days...[sigh]

[wombles off to have Carruthers run his bath before running the old Hispano Suiza into town for a spot of supper at the club and dancing into the small hours at Ma Mayfield's 'Old Hundred'...]

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 23:22**

EvilBastard wrote:If the planes had blown up then it would be an indication that all the security, the metal detectors, the surveillance, the wire-tapping, the confessions obtained under torture and the loss of civil liberties can't stop someone who's really determined. Which of course they can't. You close one door, they find another one. Thus the "war on terror" is complete testicles - they know they can't win, we know we can't win, but it suits the purposes of the various government engaged in this farcical pursuit to use "war on terror" as an excuse to curtail freedoms.

Is it all the X-files on TV or were it Pinky and Brain that make all people smell conspiracies nowadays? The thing is rather obvious to me: Suicide bombers are like self producing guided missiles. A perfectly cheap weapon for crooks who donÂ´t actually have the money and opportunity to buy arms, yet want to wage the war they canÂ´t afford. So brainwash kiddies, promise them heaven, and watch them go. Meanwhile, sit back and watch the world in fear of your power. Another parallel to the third reich, which was built on exploitation of idealistic brainwashed young guns.

EvilBastard wrote:The question is, of course, why can't I get people with the suicide-bomber mentality to work for me? I mean, these guys are committed, dedicated, and absolutely focused on their purpose. So why is it that I'm surrounded by *%#^@s and @#*&%%$@s? I reckon if you could just reprogram these guys then they'd make fantastic employees.

Umm, EB, that sounds a bit like "We are Muslim. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!"
Best thing about them is, you donÂ´t even have to pay for them. They will pay their bills on their own, just promise them green meadows and 72 virgins. You wonÂ´t even hear the complaints if they donÂ´t get them after doing their job, the dead donÂ´t speak.
This game can only be played by the exploitation of naivety. I second your general respect and sympathy for these people, I, too got to know most of them as pleasant persons.
I guess once they understand the weird game played on them we will see the oriental society turning over.

@ Andrew: Get a T-Shirt with "Religion is opium for the people" written on it. They will have no further questions. ThatÂ´ll work fine. For europe. The US will probably arrest you for being a commie, though.

Posted: **11 Aug 2006, 23:30**

Andrew S wrote: IÂ´ve become used to being routinely stopped and questionned at airports, but I was subjected to the 3rd degree at Prestwick, simply due to having a large, black beard. Everybody else I saw was being stopped and briefly questionned but I was held up for longer, and asked some pretty indepth questions about my religious beliefs, personal views on the state of the world today and what I think should be done to solve it! Later on the news, I saw some moron stating that you can generally tell if somebody presents a possible threat to security just by their appearance! IÂ´m not looking forward to the flight back, to put it mildly.

Just like the Griffon! You were Osama, boudicca became Marilyn Monroe (eh?), but I can't remember who I was...

Posted: **12 Aug 2006, 15:36**

eotunun wrote:
Driven wrote: One can't exagerate the hypocricy of talking about finding a soloution while letting the Americans fly weapons to Israel via a Scottish airport.
Well, germanyÂ´s Ex-chancelor was celebrated for opposing the Iraq war 2003, while Rammstein airbase was a hub to the U.S. forces logistics. Why havenÂ´t we seen bombings in germany then?
And why the attacks at Barcelona?
German troops are at Afghanistan. Why not us then? IÂ´m sure there is a lot of activity in other countries as well. Only others are lucky enough to have all terrorists caught in time. But a major attack taking place elsewhere is only a question of time, I fear.

I didn't know about the extent of Germany's co-operation then but the fact remains that it was the British government who went to war unprovoked against Iraq and has presided over the occupation and destruction of that country since. That doesn't mean that it's OK for Fundamentalists to attack Britain but it makes it far more likely. Consequently Blair has increased the threat to civilians here, many of whom wanted no part in the Neo-Con's war.

Posted: **12 Aug 2006, 16:30**

Driven wrote:... but it makes it far more likely. Consequently Blair has increased the threat to civilians here, many of whom wanted no part in the Neo-Con's war.

DonÂ´t underestimate the influence of islamist preachers that the britsh tolerance would give the free hand to preach their hatred. Both sides of the coin made the situation what it is.
And talking about Iran: A german journalist, Peter Scholl-Latour, who is an expert for the orient and the politics there, predicted the developement after Sadams fall. He expected a situation where the lack of pressure (by the old regime) would make the kettle boil over with ethnical tensions and open bills between Shiit and Sunit parts of the population.
It is a bit like northern ireland, where the supporters of the government were an ethnical and religious minority and the Other ones represented an ethnical and religious majority. Banging Sadam out off his office was like opening a tightly sealed kettle at 120Â° Celsius. The water will explossively turn to steam, and who opened it burns at least his fingers. It was plottless action. Making the bastard fall was the right thing to do. It should have happened decades ago. The means used to make him fall were as wrong as could be. I wonder why the opposition within Iraq wasnÂ´t encoraged and supported to the job by themselves. ThatÂ´s a usual diplomatic means throughout history. Politics is a dirty job anyway..
Attacking Iraq was definately wrong, though.

Posted: **12 Aug 2006, 20:07**

Driven wrote:
eotunun wrote:Well, germanyÂ´s Ex-chancelor was celebrated for opposing the Iraq war 2003, while Rammstein airbase was a hub to the U.S. forces logistics. Why havenÂ´t we seen bombings in germany then?
I didn't know about the extent of Germany's co-operation then but the fact remains that it was the British government who went to war unprovoked against Iraq and has presided over the occupation and destruction of that country since.

Those German airbases are likely to be under N.A.T.O. command, and outgoing missions probably couldn't be stopped without a N.A.T.O. decision. I don't find this to any large-scale cooperation on the German side. Also, they have no occupying forces on Arab territory.

Posted: **13 Aug 2006, 01:10**

mugabe wrote:
Driven wrote:
eotunun wrote:Well, germanyÂ´s Ex-chancelor was celebrated for opposing the Iraq war 2003, while Rammstein airbase was a hub to the U.S. forces logistics. Why havenÂ´t we seen bombings in germany then?
I didn't know about the extent of Germany's co-operation then but the fact remains that it was the British government who went to war unprovoked against Iraq and has presided over the occupation and destruction of that country since.
Those German airbases are likely to be under N.A.T.O. command, and outgoing missions probably couldn't be stopped without a N.A.T.O. decision. I don't find this to any large-scale cooperation on the German side. Also, they have no occupying forces on Arab territory.

You may be right here, but if I remember rightly teh Iraq war wasnÂ´t even a NATO affair, just a "Coalition of willing"?

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