Heartland

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 22:40**

weebleswobble wrote:
SINsister wrote:
weebleswobble wrote:But you're a young lass and we are old farts

Yeah, but *I'm* an "old fart" too - so what's your excuse?
I Hate Everything

...and ditto. Next!

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 22:43**

SomeKindOfStranger wrote:

As an example, heres the setlist from my local club last month setlist
Caters for most tastes at some point.

Between 11 and 12.45 great stuff.Wish I'd been there.

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 22:45**

Also I think Maisey's sticking ridgedly to an hour of one genre and then an hour of another is also the wrong approach

It was more a general guideline. Myself and Chris (the industrial DJ) will flit on oand off the decks depending on the mood of the crowd (assuming a crowd actually turn up!)

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 22:51**

The age thing's irrelevant, I have talked to several people in their 40's who, if anything, have reprimanded me for my nostalgia

.

"Ah well, if you will insist on dragging your musical heroes out of the 1980's..."

(bonus points for anyone who can guess who that was

)

I think there are a lot of people like Sinny, who have gone into other "neighbouring" genres, for the very reason that they don't want to see "new" goth bands coming out with 3rd rate carbon copies of the Sisters et al. Actually, I'm not so far from that myself, I have been familiar with this kind of music for a decade now and my tastes have gone a similar way - I still love the classic stuff but not the slew of copycats that followed, I'd rather hear stuff from other genres which has some degree of integrity.
When the old bands we love did what they did, they were not imitating, they were taking their own influences further, adding their own unique stamp to it, and that's how it should be. The alternative is a playlist dominated by a load of sub-Merry Thoughts bands that are hardly doing any more than karaoke, and that is NOT what made the Sisters, Bauhaus, the Banshees etc so appealing.

The ability of "goth" to evolve is the reason it is still around, if it was a pure nostalgia movement it would long since have ceased to be around at all. And then you wouldn't have any nights to go to.

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 22:57**

f**k It-I'd rather stay in and watch TV anyway

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 23:04**

weebleswobble wrote:f**k It-I'd rather stay in and watch TV anyway

Bloody Oi!!!!!

Anyroad, what you want and what you get are poles apart.

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 23:07**

boudicca wrote:
I think there are a lot of people like Sinny, who have gone into other "neighbouring" genres, for the very reason that they don't want to see "new" goth bands coming out with 3rd rate carbon copies of the Sisters et al. Actually, I'm not so far from that myself, I have been familiar with this kind of music for a decade now and my tastes have gone a similar way - I still love the classic stuff but not the slew of copycats that followed, I'd rather hear stuff from other genres which has some degree of integrity.
When the old bands we love did what they did, they were not imitating, they were taking their own influences further, adding their own unique stamp to it, and that's how it should be. The alternative is a playlist dominated by a load of sub-Merry Thoughts bands that are hardly doing any more than karaoke, and that is NOT what made the Sisters, Bauhaus, the Banshees etc so appealing.

Couldn't agree more.I moved away from goth in the early nineties into industrial and even went as far as techno-dance because of the copycat crap (it was your Rosetta stones in my day).

The ability of "goth" to evolve is the reason it is still around, if it was a pure nostalgia movement it would long since have ceased to be around at all. And then you wouldn't have any nights to go to.

I don't see EBM or any current deathrock as any kind of evolution.I was listening to goa and psy trance ten years ago which is all basically EBM is and Deathrock is just Batcave twenty five years on.

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 23:13**

goa and psy trance ten years ago which is all basically EBM

WHOOOAA

Hold up there sir.

Thats just not the case. EBM is, if anything, a mix between synthpop and Industrial. Or industrial and trance/dance. But unlike trance EBM keeps a rock music format. Just replace the guitars with big fat synths.

Posted: **21 Mar 2007, 23:14**

Planet Dave wrote:
weebleswobble wrote:f**k It-I'd rather stay in and watch TV anyway
Bloody Oi!!!!!

Anyroad, what you want and what you get are poles apart.

Can't find a smilie for thoroughly chastised

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 03:18**

I hate labels, myself...

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 11:31**

weebleswobble wrote:
Planet Dave wrote:
weebleswobble wrote:f**k It-I'd rather stay in and watch TV anyway
Bloody Oi!!!!!

Anyroad, what you want and what you get are poles apart.
Can't find a smilie for thoroughly chastised

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 12:26**

SINsister wrote:I hate labels, myself...

Precise..

I might not exactly look "goff" or "darkling" but some of the music I listen to is sometimes a tad more extreme than that listened to by supposed examples of the aforementioned..

Music is like a rich tapestry quilt and I ain't sleeping on the damp patches, thank you very much...

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 12:51**

some valid points mentioned there.

i would comment on the complete hour of industrial though - its quite a harsh sound if its not your cup of tea (though not as harsh as the "noise" variant of ebm), and playing a whole hour of it back to back risks alienating a lot of punters

our policy at sin city is that the 2 djs play hour-long sets in rotation, and within that hour we break it up into 20 minute chunks "per genre" - which means you might get 20 mins of trad goth, 20 mins of synth pop (they love synth poop at sin!) and then 20 mins of punk from me, an dthen similar split from le freak between trad goth, ebm/noise, and indie... repeat throughout the night

it keeps things fresh and means as a punter you never have to sit through a style of music you cant stand for too long

a lot of the ebm kids we get at sin do not like anything other than what you call ebm these days. not even other classic electronic genres like techno, rave or synthpop

i like to think that at sin city we get a good balance of "cool" tunes, floor fillers and classic older tracks that you might not have heard in clubs recently (read: since about 1992)

all the old playlists (since i became resident) are here:
http://www.sincitymanchester.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=2

myself and le freak (the other dj at sin city) are both pretty good at gauging the crowd's mood and tastes, and we usually get a good party vibe going on in the club, as well as on the dancefloor

we're not slaves to the dancefloor by any means, and we're both very request friendly. maybe we're lucky in that we get some very cool requests

also, we both like dropping he odd curveball track here and there if we think the punters will be up for it.

some of the choices i've played at sin might look strange in paper, but these songs are played in context. if you were there you would see what i mean. They go down a storm every time

no one really wants to hear she sells sanctuary, you spin me round, sex dwarf and temple of love 92 any more than they really absolutely have to, and here's so much more fab music out there just waiting to be played. and so what if it aint what you would normally call "goth"

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 16:09**

Quiff Boy wrote:...and here's so much more fab music out there just waiting to be played. and so what if it aint what you would normally call "goth"

OMG, that's what blows my mind! There's just SO MUCH music out there that it's incomprehensible, yet some djs' setlists (like those here in town) seem to indicate that there are only 20 songs in existence at any given time. Ridiculous.

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 16:58**

wild bill buttock wrote:
boudicca wrote: Deathrock is just Batcave twenty five years on.
Yeah Deathrock is very inspired by the batcave bands and style.
It is a bit of a reaction to all the cyber and industrial elements of the modern goth scene.
It tend to be most popular in the states where horror rock has always be prevelent and in germany where gruffties (goths) like to wear fishnet!

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:11**

Mr Mercy wrote:
wild bill buttock wrote:
boudicca wrote: Deathrock is just Batcave twenty five years on.
Yeah Deathrock is very inspired by the batcave bands and style.
It is a bit of a reaction to all the cyber and industrial elements of the modern goth scene.
It tend to be most popular in the states where horror rock has always be prevelent and in germany where gruffties (goths) like to wear fishnet!

Huh? This is the only deathrock *I* was talking about, not any "revival" crap that might be going on now...

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:33**

"The music of "modern" (post-1990) deathrock bands have a stronger post-punk influence than the earlier deathrock bands"
to quote the page!
moder death rock even has its own section on the page you refer too

"(Revival) Dinah Cancer and other deathrockers at Release the Bats.Nearly 20 years after deathrock first appeared on the music scene in Southern California, the deathrock revival began in Southern California. During 1998 in Long Beach, California"

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:36**

Mr Mercy wrote:"The music of "modern" (post-1990) deathrock bands have a stronger post-punk influence than the earlier deathrock bands"
to quote the page

Haha - how nice for them!

I don't listen to any of it, though, so I can't really comment. I couldn't name a single "current" deathrock band, anyway.

ETA: CRIPES, my typing's worse than usual today - egads.

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:40**

I could not name a single pop band in the charts so that does not mean anything other than you need to do some research before calling it crap! (which it is though)

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:45**

Mr Mercy wrote:"(Revival) Dinah Cancer and other deathrockers at Release the Bats.Nearly 20 years after deathrock first appeared on the music scene in Southern California, the deathrock revival began in Southern California. During 1998 in Long Beach, California"

Well, ok, but Dinah Cancer's from 45 Grave, an *original* (i.e., old-skool) deathrock band...so I think she probably knows what she's doing.

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:46**

Mr Mercy wrote:I could not name a single pop band in the charts so that does not mean anything other than you need to do some research before calling it crap! (which it is though)

...please see my other post(s) about "new" g*ff music, hehehe.

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:50**

will do.
I forgot to add the winky face to my last post at first so im sorry it it came over nasty

I half had visions of seeing lost of post saying
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 17:53**

Mr Mercy wrote:will do.
I forgot to add the winky face to my last post at first so im sorry it it came over nasty
I half had visions of seeing lost of post saying
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !

AHAHAHA! Nahhhhh...then again, that kind of thing's par for the course when I'm hanging about here, lol! I seem to provoke without meaning to. Pfffffft! No harm done, though - jolly good, and all that!

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 22:46**

Mr Mercy wrote: ... and in germany where gruffties (goths) like to wear fishnet!

On a sidenote: Can I just clearify that the German term "Gruftie" doesnt origin from the english word "gruff" (as your spelling alludes to), but rather from the German word for grave "Gruft". The "Grufties" (or "Gravies" in strict translation) might be a bit gruffy at times, but then who isnt?

Sorry for not having any other contribution to make on the subject in matter.

Posted: **22 Mar 2007, 23:21**

"Gruffties" were I come from are something you get sitting on cold floors or indulging in unspeakable sex acts.
Also known as;Gruffnuts,bumgrapes,nautical miles,Farmer giles and asteroids.

Heartland

Hey Mr DJ