Madeliane McCann

[emilystrange]

apparently he's a formal suspect now

[bushman*pm]

Sky's coverage on Monday night made me sick. They practically condemned a man to death by stoning because he acted 'a bit odd' and had similar traits to Huntley. How subtle was that? It was almost like subliminal advertising - with a claw hammer. Show a few scary out of focus stills to make him appear even more menacing and link him to another more recent monster. Case closed.

It reminded me of when men's names appear in newspapers accusing them of rape with out even being convicted. Once that goes into print your life is over - even if they are exonerated. Trail by media is a horrendous act and it's never going to end, not while 24 news channels need some thing to fill their air time with.

The poor fu'cker almost certainly won't be able to afford to sue the cnuts for libel either...

tottally seconded MF & Ramone
Mind you, he does wear glasses and has a twitch in his eye so.........



HE MUST BE A PAEDO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I do appreciate the parents must be going through sheer hell, but THEY LEFT NOT ONE BUT THREE BLOODY KIDS ALONE! What if there was a fire? And whatever their pain, what about Madeline's pain? If, and its a huge if, she turns up safe, we can only pray for her life to get better, if she does not turn up then that is a tiny life snuffed out and wasted, and sorry to keep on but, and all because her parents went out for a meal! At the end of the day, all my sympathies goes to little Madeline and nothing much to the parents!

[boudicca]

One of my earliest memories is the time I got lost from my home when I was exactly Madelaine's age.

I went wandering round my neigbourhood (which lay near a major main road), up to almost a mile from my home... I remember being quite scared as I didn't know how to get back and I remember coming to the top of my road and my dad running up to me and picking me up. There were neighbours in the street who had come out to look for me.

Not sure how I got out, I've never asked, but I presume I was left on my own in the garden for a bit, and wandered out - as curious kids are so prone to do!

I was talking to my parents about it tonight and even now - 20 years on! - the fear and guilt they felt at that point is still obvious. But of course it doesn't prey on their minds every day because nothing happened, I came back. But what if I hadn't? What if someone had taken me into their car, driven me away and murdered me? Would my parents be neglectful idiots who deserved to lose their daughter? Would they f**k.

I think the vast majority of families have had a similar experience at least once. Of course what they did wasn't wise at all - but I have no doubt there are a million other parents who have done even more stupid things and simply had the luck not to be the ones to fall foul of a tiny probability.

[Obviousman]

...There were neighbours in the street who had come out to look for me...

This is really a quite important bit to me. Neighbours and other people. A couple of decades ago kids just played in the street/neighbourhood, but everyone kept an eye on each other's kids. Nowadays they rather keep the kids indoors to play with their Playstations and so on as that's safer.

I am not a nostalgicist and I wouldn't know what's preferable myself, but I guess you see what my point is.

Don't really think I'd find it a bad thing to let the kids alone in the bedroom. Even more so if there's three of them, I don't know what the other kids their age was, but if they're in bed already, and perhaps if one of the other kids is a bit older than the others I don't think there's anything wrong with giving them a bit of responsibility. Be honest, 50m, it really isn't far is it, I'm really not sure if they're to blame for that.

I'm dead sure my parents have gone much further from me on holidays when I was that age (or below perhaps even) and I never got traumatised, abducted or anything. I just got a strong aversion of medical tv programmes as that was the only thing playing one night and it really disgusted me

[christophe]

I just got a strong aversion of medical tv programmes as that was the only thing playing one night and it really disgusted me

I remember a night like that but what I saw was something completely different but maybe even more unsettling.

I have a lot of mixed thoughts about this subject, there isn’t anyone to ‘blame’ but the person who took the little girl. Though, I can’t imagine my mother to leave me by myself at that age, neither would I if I’ll ever be a father. Certainly there are moments you leave your child alone for a while, and it doesn’t really matter if you are only in the next room or somewhere further away. If something happens you will always blame yourself.
Friends of the family have lost there son when he was just a baby, it came unexpected and there was nothing to be done, even if they would have been with him, but the fact is the mother was bringing her other children to school… even now this guilt is driving them crazy.

[Obviousman]

I have a lot of mixed thoughts about this subject, there isn’t anyone to ‘blame’ but the person who took the little girl. Though, I can’t imagine my mother to leave me by myself at that age, neither would I if I’ll ever be a father. Certainly there are moments you leave your child alone for a while, and it doesn’t really matter if you are only in the next room or somewhere further away. If something happens you will always blame yourself.
Friends of the family have lost there son when he was just a baby, it came unexpected and there was nothing to be done, even if they would have been with him, but the fact is the mother was bringing her other children to school… even now this guilt is driving them crazy.

I can only agree with that! Guilt only comes before too late

[Ramone]

Jesus Tap dancing Christ..the whole thing is becoming political! Those unscrupulous morally stunted whores know as politicians are now using this traumatic experience as a media stunt.

Gordon Brown is offering 'Moral support' WTF is that ?!!

That has to be one of the most singular acts of self promotion I've seen since David Beckham jumped on the band wagon to help secure the release / return the body of Maddy. Does anyone really think that if the 'kidnappers / paedophiles were actually watching t.v at that moment they'd pull their their pants back up and shudder and say ' Oh bollocks the gigs up, Becks has spoken, we'd better give her back..start the car guys".

I'm all in favour of people trying to help, but it's at moments like this that you have to leave it to the 'experts'. Gurning footballers who can barely string a coherent sentence together are not going to convince some one to hand a child back. If the kid was maybe 8 years old had runaway and was huge Chelsea fan then maybe the sound and sight of John Terry pleading for your return many convince you to come home. But, I doubt very much seeing David Beckham is going to convince the most weak minded of people to do anything other than change the channel.

Let the Police and 'experts' , who have years of experience with child abductions and similar related acts, just let them do their thing. Self promoting footballers and politicians are only going to divert the real attention away from the real crime.

The story is sadly turning stale and it is disgusting me that they are know using tactics like this to maintain audience ratings. This is almost as sick as the initial story that has brought all this attention in the first place.

[Ramone]

So finally after 22 days, the parents do a live interview to explain their actions. And as the cameras rolled, the more I thought ; 'There's something wrong going on here'.

Twenty Two days is a very long time. Money and sympathy has poured in, people have been questioned with no confirmed results. And now they are asking for people to upload their holiday snaps to a website.

But with all this good will abound they still refuse to use some of the money to pay for a private investigator who could of started working on this case over a fortnight ago and maybe followed up some of these 'sightings' from across Europe. And yet, they won't even divulge as to why they refused to use the apartments in-house baby minding service. Sighting their only reasons as 'It was like having a meal in your garden' - yeah, if your garden is 40 yards away, through many concrete walls and in a foreign country and at 10.30 at night.

They seem to be more concerned with setting up a legal team and maybe going across Europe.
Kate (the mum) claims they were maybe 'naive'. with regards to leaving the kids to home alone.This is , in my opinion is B.S, they have three kids are both doctors and both appear to be level headed respectable people. But he makes my skin crawl, I don't know why - he just has 'something about him'

As the time goes by I'm sorry to say my interest is starting to wane drastically. And also my sympathy for both of them. The two people I truly feel sorry for are the two younger children who must be thinking 'where is our elder sister?' How are they going to explain that to them when they are older ?

We live in dark times and we all start to see things that may not be there, if Mulder has taught me anything it's Trust No One, and I'm sorry to say, but I don't trust these two - there's something just not right about all of this.

[6FeetOver]

...if Mulder has taught me anything it's Trust No One...

Hehe. I didn't need Mulder for that one.

[James Blast]

My concerns are now with that Murat chappy, I have far more in common with him (age, live with The Mum, would try to help if could etc.) I think his life is now over. Maybe he did have something to do with it (CS evidence says otherwise), maybe he didn't - Innocent until proved guilty, not these days.
It's so easy to find and crucify a bystander and one that may have had good intentions.

look at my post - feck me, how guarded and self censored was that

[Dark]

So.. what, she dead yet?

[James Blast]

are you all scared to reply

[6FeetOver]

Hmm?

ETA: Not sure what you mean, James..?

[Pista]

are you all scared to reply

My money's on the dad.

[James Blast]

Hmm?

ETA: Not sure what you mean, James..?

I just flung another POV into the equation Sinnie, and it garnered no replies

and doesn't ETA mean Estimated Time of Arrival?

[robertzombie]

are you all scared to reply

My money's on the dad.

I'm usually against people pointing the finger at the dad whenever a kid goes missing/etc but I've gotta say... there's something dodgy about this one, his voice really gives me the heebeejeebees!

[James Blast]

I'm even more scared now

[6FeetOver]

The whole JonBenet nightmare's never been solved, over here, despite being years old and the cops/FBI having gone through numerous suspects.

[6FeetOver]

Hmm?

ETA: Not sure what you mean, James..?

I just flung another POV into the equation Sinnie, and it garnered no replies

and doesn't ETA mean Estimated Time of Arrival?

Boo! Sometimes I'm oblivious, James. Not sure which POV it was, though, that I missed..?

Usually, yes. When I put "ETA" in my posts, though, it's because I've edited them after the fact, and I'm making a public note of it - as in "Edited To Add.."

[undertow]

The wierdness prevails. according to BBC news last night the parents are off to the Vatican to meet Herr Benedict Ratzinger XVI this week!

That's sealed the TV deal and Film.

Just hope that out of this sea of cynicism,media hysteria and general insanity that the kids, including Madelaine get out of it OK. athough it seems to me that re Sinsis ..we are heading for a Jon Benet style ending

[markfiend]

The wierdness prevails. according to BBC news last night the parents are off to the Vatican to meet Herr Benedict Ratzinger XVI this week!

Well that will help find Maddy.

This Murat bloke that Br'er Blast mentions is being crucified in the press. One of the red-top rags had a front page "story" accusing him of having kiddie porn, with (as far as I could tell) no actual evidence against the guy whatsoever.

[Doktor Gott]

The wierdness prevails. according to BBC news last night the parents are off to the Vatican to meet Herr Benedict Ratzinger XVI this week!

Well that will help find Maddy.

This Murat bloke that Br'er Blast mentions is being crucified in the press. One of the red-top rags had a front page "story" accusing him of having kiddie porn, with (as far as I could tell) no actual evidence against the guy whatsoever.

Qouteth Chris Morris in Brasseye..

"it's PAEDO-GEDDON!"


No seriously though, it's the typical redtop approach isn't it.. "no smoke without fire" and all that kind of thing..

bastichs..

[Mrs RicheyJames]

I remember having a 'discussion' about it with hubby a few days after it had happened. I've been convinced the dad had something to do with it the whole time. He just didn't look devastated enough. Still doesn't.

Richey reckoned it's because he's a consultant and therefore great at being an unemotional git.

That is very true when it comes to Joe public, but this is his daughter FFS!!

Well dodgy.....

[Ramone]

I remember having a 'discussion' about it with hubby a few days after it had happened. I've been convinced the dad had something to do with it the whole time. He just didn't look devastated enough. Still doesn't.

Richey reckoned it's because he's a consultant and therefore great at being an unemotional git.

That is very true when it comes to Joe public, but this is his daughter FFS!!

Well dodgy.....

It's a sad state of affairs that we now have to even question the possibility that it may be the parents in this day and age.

When the glare of the cameras is upon them, they have two roads to go down. Deer in headlights coupled with tears and voice breaking up and shaking like a epileptic whose been wired up to the mains. Or the cold , calm stare talking quietly and precisely - either way it looks forced and very well coached.

Pour it on and the 'audience' will dig deep and be on your side forevermore or act calmly and try not panic anyone into hysteria.

A year or so ago, in the USA a very hysterical woman claimed her kids had been kidnapped by an 'African American' - no one questioned her statement. Some time later her car was dredged up from a local lake with her children in the boot. Only then did she confess to the crime.

Never discount the parents however 'nice' they may appear on screen. The outcome of this story may not candy coated Hollywood movie one we all wish for, where the kid comes running over the horizon bathed in sunshine - it's more like we'll see a small body bag being loaded the back of a dark van. But this story has a foul stench coming from it - from their blatant negligence bordering on child abuse and refusing to pay for a private detective to the 'raking over the coals' of certain people by the 'red top' newspaper all in the hope of trying to sensationalize a story that just isn't there. Find the evidence then print the story not the other way round - which appears to be the British tabloid way.

There is a BBC journalist who was kidnapped over 70 days ago with out a trace. Where's his 24 hour a day news coverage - where are his yellow ribbons and 'professional mourners' where are his pictures on the front of tabloid newspapers and posters where is his parents audience with the Pope ?

Bowing and scraping to an invisable man in the sky is not going to bring this child back - But going door to door and hiring a private detective will increase your chances greatly.

This story better have a conclusion soon because the concerned masses are losing interest quickly and the 'Sky News breaking news of : Parents release another NEW picture of Maddy and mobile phone footage of her on holiday' is sorry to say, becoming boring.

You might aswell print the headline " Ramone goes to the local shop and buys a can of Pepsi and the Liverpool Echo" - it happens everyday and no one actually cares!! Not even me.

[bushman*pm]

THE DAD? OMG, but wasn't he at the restaurant as well?