Posted: 09 Mar 2008, 22:16
We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.
reactiv8 wrote:I'm 'all ears' (or eyes in this case) ...scotty wrote:No............you picked me up on it, I replied to an ignorant article about an emotive subject that very few people can speak with practical experience or knowledge and you mention spelling..............you tell me.reactiv8 wrote:you tell me?
- You obviously have experience and knowledge here?
- I don't care about the spelling - we all mistakes with 'typos' etc.
Believe it or not I'm not out to pick a fight, just that I witness 'farmers' slaughter not just foxes, but anything they can, and right on my 'doorstep' too, so I certainly ain't ignorant - they are, and arrogant too.
Really?, Sparrows, Skylarks, Swallows, Sandmartins?............bit of a blanket statement that.just that I witness 'farmers' slaughter not just foxes, but anything they can
MadameButterfly wrote:We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.
Badgers, Kites, Buzzards, Stoats, Sparrowhawks (& foxes too of course)scotty wrote: Really?, Sparrows, Skylarks, Swallows, Sandmartins?............bit of a blanket statement that.
Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.reactiv8 wrote:MadameButterfly wrote:We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.
Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain, Badger numbers have grown to such an extent that DEFRA are now advising a cull due to them spreading TB, the "Country" in not alive with Rabbits that need Foxes to control their numbers, RSPB, SNH, BTO, Natural England all control Foxes on land they own for the protection of Red Data Species, Cappercallie, Stone Curlews, Marsh Harriers, Merlin, Dunlin etc are all very rare and susceptible to predation by Foxes, Stoates, Badgers, Crows, that's why conservation bodies hunt/kill/shoot/cull, what ever description you prefer.reactiv8 wrote:Badgers, Kites, Buzzards, Stoats, Sparrowhawks (& foxes too of course)scotty wrote: Really?, Sparrows, Skylarks, Swallows, Sandmartins?............bit of a blanket statement that.
- that's enough to be going on with ...
I take your point though, so I'm listening ...
This is a 'forum' after all.
I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...MadameButterfly wrote:Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.reactiv8 wrote:MadameButterfly wrote:We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.
reactiv8 wrote:I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...MadameButterfly wrote:Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.reactiv8 wrote:
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...
Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!
Is that where most of your arguments fall down?.They don't answer back!
"Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain" - Humans?scotty wrote: Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain, Badger numbers have grown to such an extent that DEFRA are now advising a cull due to them spreading TB, the "Country" in not alive with Rabbits that need Foxes to control their numbers, RSPB, SNH, BTO, Natural England all control Foxes on land they own for the protection of Red Data Species, Cappercallie, Stone Curlews, Marsh Harriers, Merlin, Dunlin etc are all very rare and susceptible to predation by Foxes, Stoates, Badgers, Crows, that's why conservation bodies hunt/kill/shoot/cull, what ever description you prefer.
The hunting of Foxes for "Sport" is a different argument, but the article you quoted is crass in the extreme and only clouds the argument, it's like saying Scotland is over run by Deer, it isn't.
You're sarcasim has some depth.............shame you won't see it.reactiv8 wrote:"Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain" - Humans?scotty wrote: Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain, Badger numbers have grown to such an extent that DEFRA are now advising a cull due to them spreading TB, the "Country" in not alive with Rabbits that need Foxes to control their numbers, RSPB, SNH, BTO, Natural England all control Foxes on land they own for the protection of Red Data Species, Cappercallie, Stone Curlews, Marsh Harriers, Merlin, Dunlin etc are all very rare and susceptible to predation by Foxes, Stoates, Badgers, Crows, that's why conservation bodies hunt/kill/shoot/cull, what ever description you prefer.
The hunting of Foxes for "Sport" is a different argument, but the article you quoted is crass in the extreme and only clouds the argument, it's like saying Scotland is over run by Deer, it isn't.
Badgers don't spread TB - Cows do..
I thought there were too many Deer in Scotland and they needed to be 'controlled'? - by Wolves perhaps? Too bad the Humans killed all of them.
Really? Who then?reactiv8 wrote: I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...
Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!
Awww...now old man, don't go all funny on us. Relax, take deep breathes, calm yourself, get excited about the coming storm and really don't worry about me....you're a newbie here so only others may know what I'm on about...that's a MB thing you know. Sometimes I don't even know what I'm on about our lovely ems says I speak debish and it's true...my mind is thinking we are on the same wave length but I talk in a way that you can only understand if you know me kinda thing!reactiv8 wrote:Ok. 'nuff said.
That's another Pint I'm owe you , if we add all the pints we owe each other it will make for another great nightmh wrote:I always thought it was reasonably well known that badgers did spread TB...?
As for "no natural predators", all you have to do is look at the situation with rabbits in Australia. It may be deeply unpleasant to think about, and we may have been the ones that created the mess in the first place, but it's far too late to say "I told you so" from a self-righteous stance. Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.
Aye, there's the rub.mh wrote:Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.
Aww guys...Keith doesn't spoil fights..boys calm down...I don't want this kind of thing on a Sunday evening. I have no idea what this is about but I'll find out....now please boys, play nice and let's not have this arguement.scotty wrote:reactiv8 wrote:I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...MadameButterfly wrote: Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...
Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!Is that where most of your arguments fall down?.They don't answer back!
I'm in no way "spoiling for a fight"..............OK.
More Light & Less Heat is what is needed, I was in conservation for nearly 20 years, were the trouble starts, and I speak from bitter experience, is when people come to the table with arguments like the above article, only wildlife suffers in the long runSINsister wrote:Aye, there's the rub.mh wrote:Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.
And wildlife shouldn't suffer at least there are enough of us that think on the same levels.scotty wrote:More Light & Less Heat is what is needed, I was in conservation for nearly 20 years, were the trouble starts, and I speak from bitter experience, is when people come to the table with arguments like the above article, only wildlife suffers in the long runSINsister wrote:Aye, there's the rub.mh wrote:Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.
You, me, a can of red paint, and a town.scotty wrote:That's another Pint I'm owe you , if we add all the pints we owe each other it will make for another great nightmh wrote:I always thought it was reasonably well known that badgers did spread TB...?
As for "no natural predators", all you have to do is look at the situation with rabbits in Australia. It may be deeply unpleasant to think about, and we may have been the ones that created the mess in the first place, but it's far too late to say "I told you so" from a self-righteous stance. Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.
Hello again MBMadameButterfly wrote:Awww...now old man, don't go all funny on us. Relax, take deep breathes, calm yourself, get excited about the coming storm and really don't worry about me....you're a newbie here so only others may know what I'm on about...that's a MB thing you know. Sometimes I don't even know what I'm on about our lovely ems says I speak debish and it's true...my mind is thinking we are on the same wave length but I talk in a way that you can only understand if you know me kinda thing!reactiv8 wrote:Ok. 'nuff said.
I do like you and will stop pulling your chain okay!
Hello reactiv8reactiv8 wrote: Hello again MB
I didn't go 'all funny on you' (thankfully) - I managed to control my spectacular temper ... Maybe I'm a 'newbie' on Heartland, but in other respects I'm 'as old as the hills' - for example, my religion is 'the old one', which girls especially, got burnt (and worse) for in the 16th, 17th and other centuries. Your mind is indeed correct, and we probably are 'on the same wavelength' - I usually defer to the females of our species - They are our 'controllers' after all, eh?