A Rock And A Hard Place

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i could only ever hear "in the valley of the..."

one of those typical eldritchisms where he tails off the last word, leaving you hanging :lol:

i liked to think he was a russ meyer fan ;D
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This is the version with the extra (but garbled) word after "valley of the".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqRV146VIe8

"Oracle" maybe? But that doesn't sound quite right.
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Dan wrote:This is the version with the extra (but garbled) word after "valley of the".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqRV146VIe8

"Oracle" maybe? But that doesn't sound quite right.
Sounds like "Turk" to me. Something meant to rhyme with "church" anyway.
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After more listens, it sounds like "Horrorford". All I find on Google though is a (presumably disparaging) nickname for Hereford.
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Quiff Boy wrote:i could only ever hear "in the valley of the..."

one of those typical eldritchisms where he tails off the last word, leaving you hanging :lol:
:lol: ... exactly my thoughts ...

Quiff Boy wrote: i liked to think he was a russ meyer fan ;D


Yeah, that looks very much his taste ... :lol: ...
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Maybe it's not "the" ?

On the 2006 remaster it sounds as if it could be "the valley of ..." something other, "urgh" or something :)
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My other cent says it's cut short, as stated before... as if he started telling us the story about the girl/happening and at that point he was digressing... so he cut's it short on "the valley of the.... " and comes back to the subject "well she wanted a haven..."
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Guedzilla wrote:Maybe it's not "the" ?
It is in Postcards.
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Oh.

Ok then.

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Or maybe just '...the valley of the well'

As in The Well Below the Valley.
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Dan wrote:This is the version with the extra (but garbled) word after "valley of the".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqRV146VIe8

"Oracle" maybe? But that doesn't sound quite right.
Just sounds like a breath in to me.

"one from the church and the valley of the HHHHHHHU"

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If I may hijack this thread one of the many lines that bothers me is :-

"And there wasn't a part of me that
Didn't want to say goodbye but"

If you take out the two negatives which counteract each other

That leaves you with

There WAS a part of me (or many parts) that DID want to say goodbye

Have I got this right and if so is that the sentiment the narrator is trying to imply?
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Actually I think the double negative means "all of me did want to say goodbye"
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We are saying similar things

You are just expressing it far better

The rest of the song (as I understand it) reads as though he has to leave the girlie for some undefined reason but doesn't really want to.

The line we are discussing reads as though he can't wait to dump her

It sort of jars with the rest of the sentiment of the lyrics - although I could be misreading them
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million voices wrote:We are saying similar things
But it's much more emphatic markfiend's way: not just a part of him wanted to say goodbye, but every part.
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In my original post I was just taking out the two "nt"s from the lyric and that gives a "a part of him" but I was hinting at the whole being - apologies I should have expressed it more clearly
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With my Finbarr Saunders hat on, I could surmise that :von: is alluding to a particular part of himself which might occasionally act, erm, independently, but which wasn't even doing so in the context of this particular young lady. Given the title of the song, it might even place it as an early attempt at the dreadful punnery of YCBTO.

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I definitely think it's a "find her, fück her, forget her" song. As indeed is YCBTO.

"And I didn't have the heart to tell her why"... because "love is always over in the morning".
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though YCBTO is much more about shagging groupie's and the dippy-hippy s**t one could expect to endure from such types...this song seems more about an individual situation.
"And all my promises are lies
All my love is hate
I am the Politician, and i decide your fate"
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True.
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million voices wrote:In my original post I was just taking out the two "nt"s from the lyric and that gives a "a part of him" but I was hinting at the whole being - apologies I should have expressed it more clearly
No need to apologise. You are forgiven. Don't ever do it again. :D
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:With my Finbarr Saunders hat on, I could surmise that :von: is alluding to a particular part of himself which might occasionally act, erm, independently, but which wasn't even doing so in the context of this particular young lady. Given the title of the song, it might even place it as an early attempt at the dreadful punnery of YCBTO.

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Wouldn't put it past him.
markfiend wrote:I definitely think it's a "find her, fück her, forget her" song. As indeed is YCBTO.

"And I didn't have the heart to tell her why"... because "love is always over in the morning".
Indeed.
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.....what if "Rock" and "Hard Place" are the pseudonyms of two ultra butch gay boys that the narrator is meeting later.

That is why he is not over enamoured, and keen to get rid of, his present female company.

He can't actually remember the name of the bar where he's meeting the two boys but it's on the High Street between "Devil's" night club and a fish & chip shop called "Deep Blue Sea".
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million voices wrote:.....what if "Rock" and "Hard Place" are the pseudonyms of two ultra butch gay boys that the narrator is meeting later.
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million voices wrote:.....what if "Rock" and "Hard Place" are the pseudonyms of two ultra butch gay boys that the narrator is meeting later.

That is why he is not over enamoured, and keen to get rid of, his present female company.

He can't actually remember the name of the bar where he's meeting the two boys but it's on the High Street between "Devil's" night club and a fish & chip shop called "Deep Blue Sea".
Well even if (and I don't think you've got that right) it won't be of any concern, because
markfiend wrote:Actually I think the double negative means "all of me did want to say goodbye"
Yeah, like knowing one could by no means do with that person, while getting rid of her somewhat contradicts one's mentality, attitude, convictions ... :wink: ...

markfiend wrote:I definitely think it's a "find her, fück her, forget her" song. As indeed is YCBTO.

"And I didn't have the heart to tell her why"... because "love is always over in the morning".
Not even. Only dirty drama ... like SKOS Early ... :wink: ...
And then the rhythm, the Doktor, the guitars ... all play it so cool and with these vocals ... *sigh ...
just too tempting to be overly precise regards the lyrics ... and also: ... a short cut is better by far ...
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