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MadameButterfly wrote:

Ozpat wrote:

Obviousman wrote: And I haven't heard anyone who disagrees with that.

Actually interesting, for someone so anti-EU to be unhappy with someone in charge who's there because he hasn't got the least bit of charisma and who's main power is to water down nearly everything he does. I'd be happy with him if I were Farage!

True!

Can you imagine what it would be like if he would have this 'speech' about our Harry Potter, Jan Peter Balkenende, who just missed this job?!

Poor Harry Jan Peter Potter Balkenende! His cabinet had fallen how many times? Still I like the man, he is a financial sharp eye and good for the EU.

Fourth time. I am not a fan but the man certainly gets my respect.

Ozpat wrote: Fourth time. I am not a fan but the man certainly gets my respect.

I had counted three, but might have slept through one of them. Yes he does earn respect. Just a last word in this thread cause it's not about us I still love our lady with her green fingers standing up to and beating all these men in debates. I've loved and respected her from the beginning!

MadameButterfly wrote:

Ozpat wrote: Fourth time. I am not a fan but the man certainly gets my respect.

I had counted three, but might have slept through one of them. Yes he does earn respect. Just a last word in this thread cause it's not about us I still love our lady with her green fingers standing up to and beating all these men in debates. I've loved and respected her from the beginning!

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Peter_Balkenende

Yep and her musical taste is not that bad either with favs lie Bowie, Cash, Waits and Buckley.

Prefer her way over the tomato lady.

Okay, on topic again.

Ozpat wrote:

MadameButterfly wrote:

Ozpat wrote: Fourth time. I am not a fan but the man certainly gets my respect.

I had counted three, but might have slept through one of them. Yes he does earn respect. Just a last word in this thread cause it's not about us I still love our lady with her green fingers standing up to and beating all these men in debates. I've loved and respected her from the beginning!

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Peter_Balkenende

Yep and her musical taste is not that bad either with favs lie Bowie, Cash, Waits and Buckley.

Prefer her way over the tomato lady.

Okay, on topic again.

And she is winning big time tonight, oopps sorry her political party has made some ground!

God the tomato lady is not done just like the owl man!

Sorry forum, inside politics of Dutch land.
And Almere is in the eye thanks to the owl man that if the UK agrees with is just WRONG!

Pat are you watching her twitter? I don't do that but she mentioned it.

Did not watch her twitter no.

PVV won the elections in Almere....

Ozpat wrote:Did not watch her twitter no.

PVV won the elections in Almere....

FUCKIN tell me about it. We have some really stupid people living here.
Bunch of fookers. Let's just hope they don't get anywhere in June.

Obviousman wrote:

Hom_Corleone wrote:His outburst was fairly entertaining though.

"You have all the charisma of a damp rag"

And I haven't heard anyone who disagrees with that.

Actually interesting, for someone so anti-EU to be unhappy with someone in charge who's there because he hasn't got the least bit of charisma and who's main power is to water down nearly everything he does. I'd be happy with him if I were Farage!

Harder to rail against the EU when it's personified by someone as nondescript as Van Rompuy. Farage was probably praying for Blair.

MadameButterfly wrote:

Ozpat wrote:Did not watch her twitter no.

PVV won the elections in Almere....

FUCKIN tell me about it. We have some really stupid people living here.
Bunch of fookers. Let's just hope they don't get anywhere in June.

Fortunately winning in Almere and Den Haag doesn't mean winning the big elections in June. It does say more about what's going on in those cities. We've seen this thing before. PVV will probably grow out of proportion, doesn't have the qualified people to deal with responsibilities, make a fool out of themselves by making even more stupid decisions, internal fights and over the top egos. So I guess all will be fine before we can bring out the next votes

DeWinter wrote:

Obviousman wrote:

Hom_Corleone wrote:His outburst was fairly entertaining though.

And I haven't heard anyone who disagrees with that.

Actually interesting, for someone so anti-EU to be unhappy with someone in charge who's there because he hasn't got the least bit of charisma and who's main power is to water down nearly everything he does. I'd be happy with him if I were Farage!

Harder to rail against the EU when it's personified by someone as nondescript as Van Rompuy. Farage was probably praying for Blair.

Actually, when Van Rompuy was our prime minister I often forgot we had a prime minister. I mean, we've always had prime ministers, so imagine what that sort of person would do to a newly created function

paul wrote:

MadameButterfly wrote:

Ozpat wrote:Did not watch her twitter no.

PVV won the elections in Almere....

FUCKIN tell me about it. We have some really stupid people living here.
Bunch of fookers. Let's just hope they don't get anywhere in June.

Fortunately winning in Almere and Den Haag doesn't mean winning the big elections in June. It does say more about what's going on in those cities. We've seen this thing before. PVV will probably grow out of proportion, doesn't have the qualified people to deal with responsibilities, make a fool out of themselves by making even more stupid decisions, internal fights and over the top egos. So I guess all will be fine before we can bring out the next votes

Yes I know paul. Also know that voters that didn't vote last time are now voting this time and going for the new party. Like sheep to the slaughter.
Yeah it will come back and bite them in the arse and I've been living here long enough to know that the sensible people, my friends and lots more out there think the same way we do. Bring on June!

I was in Almere 2 weeks ago and I spoke to this guy. He lives there and told me he was going to vote PVV. When I asked him why he told me that he agreed with Wilders about his plans with Muslims. Then I asked him what they did to him. He responded that they didn't do anything to him, but he didn't like people who showed their religion through clothing (what he meant was muslimas wearing headscarves), so the government should forbid it. I told him that many "Dutch" protestant women and catholic nuns also wear certain clothing because of their religion, so you can't make a law to ban religious clothing for just one group of people. He agreed and was quiet for a while. His next argument was the noise coming from mosques before the praying start. I told him that Christian churchbells make even more noise, so you can't make a law to ban religious noise for just one group. Conclusion: PVV only attracts ignorant people...

Indeed or those that have no clue to politics. I'll give the PVV one thing, it was a good campaign but comes from that wolf in sheep's clothing.

This PVV ~ Party For Freedom (translated) is using relgion and the Muslim one as it is as a p!ss pole. I have Muslim neighbours and I respect them and they me. Well the one had a weed plantation next to us, underground with a brother-in-law living in Belgium and some doggy dutch dude. We phoned the police, out safety for the neighbours as users. It was cleared within days and even had our burgermeester, the lady on expensive heels in the fooking cold, coming to have a peek how a breakin and removal takes place.

The day the Almere gemeente came in to remove, they killed their front garden and started throwing the baby plants and lights and stuff out the second floor window into this huge removal truck. I have to go fetch MY kids from school as do the neighbours!

Yo! Debbie, what's happening next to you???

Me I'm sure you can fuckingsee what's happening.

1+1= no crap next to me!

Now there is respect in my street and anyone opens a big mouth to me?

No, no one dares. Actions speak louder than words always.

And I'm NOT religious so DON'T wake me up on a Sunday morning you fuckingwitnesses of whatever.

* edit ~ it wouldn't have mattered who was living next to me, Muslim, Arab, Jew, Christian, pink, purple with green spots whatever...

that's a moral issue in the safety of innocents from a user.

paul wrote:

MadameButterfly wrote:

Ozpat wrote:Did not watch her twitter no.

PVV won the elections in Almere....

FUCKIN tell me about it. We have some really stupid people living here.
Bunch of fookers. Let's just hope they don't get anywhere in June.

Fortunately winning in Almere and Den Haag doesn't mean winning the big elections in June. It does say more about what's going on in those cities. We've seen this thing before. PVV will probably grow out of proportion, doesn't have the qualified people to deal with responsibilities, make a fool out of themselves by making even more stupid decisions, internal fights and over the top egos. So I guess all will be fine before we can bring out the next votes

I think not! PVV will be like that AFTER the June elections.
They will get many votes in June and will be one of the top 3 parties.
The next elections will be dividing our country.

I noticed that the more the other parties are kicking against Wilders the more populair he becomes. Other parties should concentrate on their programms rather than debating about Wilders. Though the media is to blame for this as well.

Agnes Kant lost herself in the Wilders issue. She was doomed to fail after the last few debates.

Ozpat wrote: I think not! PVV will be like that AFTER the June elections.
They will get many votes in June and will be one of the top 3 parties.
The next elections will be dividing our country.

I noticed that the more the other parties are kicking against Wilders the more populair he becomes. Other parties should concentrate on their programms rather than debating about Wilders. Though the media is to blame for this as well.

Agnes Kant lost herself in the Wilders issue. She was doomed to fail after the last few debates.

In that case there's only one thing left to do: somebody shoot Wilders!

paul wrote:

Ozpat wrote: I think not! PVV will be like that AFTER the June elections.
They will get many votes in June and will be one of the top 3 parties.
The next elections will be dividing our country.

I noticed that the more the other parties are kicking against Wilders the more populair he becomes. Other parties should concentrate on their programms rather than debating about Wilders. Though the media is to blame for this as well.

Agnes Kant lost herself in the Wilders issue. She was doomed to fail after the last few debates.

In that case there's only one thing left to do: somebody shoot Wilders!

Beat him with politics in the next 3 months.
He has no realistic programm and is focused on one issue. He can be beaten by not giving him room to express his strenght in debating and one liners. To a lot of people he looks like a good book judged by the cover. People should be aware to read the book. Other parties should convince people to read the book and not try to convince them that the cover is bad.

Ozpat wrote:

Beat him with politics in the next 3 months.
He has no realistic programm and is focused on one issue. He can be beaten by not giving him room to express his strenght in debating and one liners. To a lot of people he looks like a good book judged by the cover. People should be aware to read the book. Other parties should convince people to read the book and not try to convince them that the cover is bad.

Nope, shoot him!

Seriously: After Pim Fortuijn got killed the political climate in the Netherlands got better. As we know, PF also had the same animosity as GW towards Muslims, the same one-liners and the same populist approach in order to get more votes. The thought of PF being the prime-ministers of our country is bad. The thought of GW being prime-minister is even worse. Since there's IMO a striking resemblance between between both right-winged politicians, it would be a great idea if we could get rid of Wilders. Not by shooting him ofcourse, kidnapping/putting him in isolation/arresting him would be okay too...

paul wrote:

Ozpat wrote:

Beat him with politics in the next 3 months.
He has no realistic programm and is focused on one issue. He can be beaten by not giving him room to express his strenght in debating and one liners. To a lot of people he looks like a good book judged by the cover. People should be aware to read the book. Other parties should convince people to read the book and not try to convince them that the cover is bad.

Nope, shoot him!

Seriously: After Pim Fortuijn got killed the political climate in the Netherlands got better. As we know, PF also had the same animosity like GW has towards Muslims, the same one-liners and the same populist approach in order to get more votes. The thought of PF being the prime-ministers of our country is bad. The thought of GW being prime-minister is even worse. Since there's IMO a striking resemblance between between both right-winged politicians, it would be a great idea if we could get rid of Wilders. Not by shooting him ofcourse, kidnapping/putting him in isolation/arresting him would be okay too...

Better in a way yes but on the other hand since then no government survived the full 4 years. Too many parties! You will never get what you choose.

Ozpat wrote: Too many parties! You will never get what you choose.

I agree. One party doesn't work, too many parties doesn't work either...