Heartland

Bartek wrote:Facts and numbers: 1982, 1985.

And to complete your timeline, 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabnZ9-ex7o

Seems that Vanian and Co. could have cashed some also

meat is murder wrote:

pikkrong wrote:Some of you may argue but for me Hussey's guitar has never defined The Sisters music.

same here, i have to say. i've always seen him as just another member of personnel and part of one of the phases in the sisters' existence.

I agree

circle wrote:

Bartek wrote:Facts and numbers: 1982, 1985.

And to complete your timeline, 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabnZ9-ex7o

Seems that Vanian and Co. could have cashed some also

that was so obvious that i wasn't bothered to past link.

stufarq wrote:

mh wrote:Yeah, Von on Temple as well.

Hadn't realised that. Knew about RH but had always assumed that Gary and Ben were back for TOL. Maybe that's why they could never nail it live.

I remember talking about his guitar playing in UTR, probably.

I believe he touched base separately with RH and Floodland, saying something to the effect of him being able to compose the ToL intro out of the blue, but being unable to "learn" parts from the outside. Also, him playing it in the studio has been cited as a reason why it wasn't played early on as much.

On Floodland, he mentioned mixing the guitars down on purpose. I recall he found them a bit spotty for his tastes; it was him playing them, after all.

Bartek wrote:Facts and numbers: 1982, 1985.

a little bit off topic (sorry for that) but talking about the rip offs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nPiBai66M&ob=av2n (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YveC8laqCs (1989)

gallup wrote:

Bartek wrote:Facts and numbers: 1982, 1985.

a little bit off topic (sorry for that) but talking about the rip offs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nPiBai66M&ob=av2n (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YveC8laqCs (1989)

It works both ways with New Order/The Cure.

See Blue Monday/The Walk

Now this well off course

Suleiman wrote:

gallup wrote:

Bartek wrote:Facts and numbers: 1982, 1985.

a little bit off topic (sorry for that) but talking about the rip offs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nPiBai66M&ob=av2n (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YveC8laqCs (1989)

It works both ways with New Order/The Cure.

See Blue Monday/The Walk

Now this well off course

yes, it certainly does

yah, the whole cure/new order squabble over who came up with THAT bass sound first has been going for years...

lazarus corporation wrote:Bear in mind that Jaz Coleman is the man who went off to live in Iceland in the early 80s to avoid the apocalypse, which he predicted was coming soon...

To be fair, his fears that the UK economy was due to collapse because it was too tightly tied to the US economy was only wrong in the timescale. He reckoned 20 months, it was more like 20 years... but bang on.

I also saw a video from this time when he had a pop at Death Cult, "another poxy tribal band". Jaz is nothing if not mind-blowingly overblown... he has mellowed though. I love him.

That said, the Sisters comparison is daft... but who'd be held to stuff they said in 1988 anyway?

everythingability wrote:

lazarus corporation wrote:Bear in mind that Jaz Coleman is the man who went off to live in Iceland in the early 80s to avoid the apocalypse, which he predicted was coming soon...

To be fair, his fears that the UK economy was due to collapse because it was too tightly tied to the US economy was only wrong in the timescale. He reckoned 20 months, it was more like 20 years... but bang on.

I also saw a video from this time when he had a pop at Death Cult, "another poxy tribal band". Jaz is nothing if not mind-blowingly overblown... he has mellowed though. I love him.

That said, the Sisters comparison is daft... but who'd be held to stuff they said in 1988 anyway?

As I understood it, Coleman's prediction was of a proper end-of-the-world apocalypse based on his (then) interest in the occult and numerology, rather than an economic prediction of a downturn in global markets.

I may be wrong, though

my understanding of jaz's predictions are as per laz corp's comments.

His apocalyptic visions included all you mention, but I did find a clip on YouTube from around this time when he was mainly banging on about the economy.

It wasn't a simple "the bombs going to blow" belief, but it never is with end-of-the-world-ers.

Jaz's current fears are all about food supply and being culled by the NWO ( for want of a better term ) but they come across as less crazy... to me at least.

copper wrote:On Floodland, he mentioned mixing the guitars down on purpose. I recall he found them a bit spotty for his tastes; it was him playing them, after all.

There's at least one other guitarist on Floodland. A while ago I identified loads of musicians mentioned in the sleeve notes thanks and posted the info on the forum although I can't remember the thread. Off the top of my head though, Sid McGinness was definitely one of them. They're not actually credited as having played on the album but it makes sense that they did.

I couldnt believe how these two sounded so similar. think Killing Joke have a cheek accusing others of ripping artists off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQGPj1h1E5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDwhZEFk5W4

everythingability wrote:

lazarus corporation wrote:Bear in mind that Jaz Coleman is the man who went off to live in Iceland in the early 80s to avoid the apocalypse, which he predicted was coming soon...

To be fair, his fears that the UK economy was due to collapse because it was too tightly tied to the US economy was only wrong in the timescale. He reckoned 20 months, it was more like 20 years... but bang on.

At the time, I assumed Jaz had run off to Iceland to study leylines and hang out with Peyr, but he was clearly researching deregulation plans for the nation's banks ...
Still, not bad predictions for a soothsayer. What were his intials again ?

Of course ley lines and Peyr were involved, but other things were too... money and the gulf situation mentioned here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7gm22j3 ... plpp_video

So he moved to a country with a massively overleveraged banking system with nothing to back it up apart from cod fishing..how come he didn't see that coming?

DOZMEISTER wrote:I couldnt believe how these two sounded so similar. think Killing Joke have a cheek accusing others of ripping artists off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQGPj1h1E5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDwhZEFk5W4

I knew that War was influence to numerous bands but to KJ?!

The Pink Floyd thing isn't off at all- that sound had been around for a good long while at that point.

Now, I think Geordie is a much more distinctive player than Wayne. He rocked/rocks that sound in a different way than most. The other guitarist in my band acknowledges this, and he's not a big Sisters nerd.

There is a consistency of sorts to the guitar lines and guitar tones and I would assume that's 's influence. If I was totally new to this band and unaware of their history, I would not expect massive lineup changes.

Or, perhaps, I might expect massive lineup changes with one guy running the show. Perhaps the drummer. Realistically, it's been the Vision Thing sound since Vision Thing. Now, I like that record, so I am okay with this.