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Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 11:47
by Quiff Boy
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:markfiend wrote: I'm vaguely amused that you consider JuJu etc. to be "mid-period Banshees". is the 4th of 11 studio LPs really "mid-period"? Well maybe I suppose.
Personally I'd split the Banshees into three periods; pre-fat-Bob, with-fat-Bob, and post-fat-Bob.
Bob was only on loan to the Banshees for one studio album though, IIRC, whereas McGeoch managed three. So
was not the first to hit on the idea of changing guitarist regularly to keep a band fresh - watch out, Ben and Chris !
Going back to JD, the most obvious link between the two bands (ie JD and TSOM) for those not familiar with the Mancunian Miserabilists (if that's not tautological) is that JD used to do a fairly faithful cover of
Sister Ray live, a version of which can be found on the somehwat messy posthumous round-up album
Still, which also features
Dead Souls incidentally.
JD's live version of sister ray is stunning. 7 minutes of shambling god-awful thrashing and wailing... i love it
never have i heard "had a good night!" sound so menacing. and inaccurate
Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 11:56
by markfiend
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:Bob was only on loan to the Banshees for one studio album though, IIRC, whereas McGeoch managed three.
Aye, fairy nuff.
Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 13:33
by Machine Regime
NOTTC chorus - the bassline's a direct rip-off of Soft Cell's 'Tainted Love', I wager.
Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 13:37
by Machine Regime
And Will I Dream's verse and bridge shamelessly rips off Vision Thing's. If I were Eldritch, I'd sue myself - I'd sue my ass off, god damn it.
Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 13:37
by Izzy HaveMercy
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 02:13
by centurionofprix
This one is probably obvious to a lot of you, but I just heard it now. FOTN: Preacher Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsSFR43Z600
On that note...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYf2sRxIgik
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 02:35
by Husek
@FOTN - I didn't found a exactly sisters song equal to this, maybe Logic.
But this video its just disturbing
@Evangeline - in some bootleg recordings, hussey do the 'Shhh AH!' at the end of the initial riff , just like FALAA.
Months a go i've sent a message at Dominion Mail List about how butthurt Wayne can be about the sisters, and how Evangeline it's the (mediocre) mish version of FALAA, just like Wasteland to Marian.
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 10:23
by markfiend
FOTN "Power" is almost note-for-note "Ace of Spades"
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 10:37
by Quiff Boy
markfiend wrote:FOTN "Power" is almost note-for-note "Ace of Spades"
do you mean 'phobia' from the 'nephilim' album? power is similar, but phobia is almost exact
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 10:43
by markfiend
Quiff Boy wrote:markfiend wrote:FOTN "Power" is almost note-for-note "Ace of Spades"
do you mean 'phobia' from the 'nephilim' album? power is similar, but phobia is almost exact
Bollox yes, I meant Phobia
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 12:23
by Husek
Just to make Evangeline even more suspicious:
In some gigs Wayne sing 'Gimme Gimme Gimme' during it.
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 14:45
by centurionofprix
Husek wrote:
@FOTN - I didn't found a exactly sisters song equal to this, maybe Logic.
But this video its just disturbing
The first riff to Preacher Man is sounds to me like the FALAA riff played in a (very) slightly different rhythm. It might be more obvious here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfsdhDOrbrA
@Evangeline - in some bootleg recordings, hussey do the 'Shhh AH!' at the end of the initial riff , just like FALAA.
Months a go i've sent a message at Dominion Mail List about how butthurt Wayne can be about the sisters, and how Evangeline it's the (mediocre) mish version of FALAA, just like Wasteland to Marian.
Then again, despite their animosity, both Eldritch and Hussey have reminisced with positive sentiments about some aspects of the FALAA days. Maybe Wayne did the music to Evangeline as a tribute of sorts. It seems too blatant for a rip-off.
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 21:29
by dinky daisy
That Dio song is really, really wydsm. Isn't there also a van Halen song that has this riff?
Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 23:45
by Randall Flagg
Quiff Boy wrote:markfiend wrote:Quiff Boy wrote:marx has told me that both eldritch and himself were big fans of [...] john mcgeoch's guitar sound
Well why wouldn't you be?
i alway used to find it a bit too spiky for my tastes, but latterly (see what i did there?
) i have a fresh appreciation for it.
on the subject of the late great John Mcgeoch, 6 music recently did an hour long special, covering his work from Magazine onwards,
I may have posted this before - but Mcgeogh was so good that his early work with Magazine deserves better recognition and Spellbound (the 6 music prog) is well worth a listen.
Flagg
(who's about to listen to Shot by Both Sides - on of THE great guitar tracks to come out of that era).
Posted: 17 Dec 2011, 02:33
by sultan2075
Husek wrote:Just to make Evangeline even more suspicious:
In some gigs Wayne sing 'Gimme Gimme Gimme' during it.
Wow. His lyrics are... atrocious.
Posted: 17 Dec 2011, 20:49
by robm
Guitar on "Dominion" == piano on "The Big Sky" by Kate Bush.
Drums on "War on Drugs" == drums on "Anyone Can Fall In Love" by Anita Dobson.
Posted: 18 Dec 2011, 23:18
by Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
a) Re : FOTN. It's hard to find an early FOTN track which doesn't rip off the girls.
b)
@Randall Flagg Totally agree about McGeoch and early Magazine - particularly on their classic "punk prog" second album
Secondhand Daylight.
c) Re : Sisters and JD. Now that
has finally succombed to a Bowie cover, why not a JD one too -
Dead Souls would be amazing (and certainly a million miles better than Reznor's version). Can't say that the title would be much help in the "We're not G*th, honest" campaign though
Posted: 18 Dec 2011, 23:48
by Randall Flagg
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:a) Re : FOTN. It's hard to find an early FOTN track which doesn't rip off the girls.
b)
@Randall Flagg Totally agree about McGeoch and early Magazine - particularly on their classic "punk prog" second album
Secondhand Daylight.
c) Re : Sisters and JD. Now that
has finally succombed to a Bowie cover, why not a JD one too -
Dead Souls would be amazing (and certainly a million miles better than Reznor's version). Can't say that the title would be much help in the "We're not G*th, honest" campaign though
Oh the brilliance of Second Hand Daylight, and in particular Barry Adamson's bass playing on Back to Nature.
Back to nature
The voyeur will realise
This is not a sight for his sore eyes
genius.
Flagg
Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 09:21
by Bartek
"Dead souls" would be good but, it needs live bass guitar. And title also isn't band as it is title of Gogol book.
Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 13:21
by dinky daisy
oh, and vice versa: More = Cat People by Bowie, but Cracking Up by Jesus and Mary chain = More and a little bit Dominion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSO0T4daYqA
TOL - Gimme Shelter
Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 20:05
by PipoTheClown
Well, the chords of Gimme Shelter are exactly the same as in Temple Of Love and so is the guitarriff. On TOL it's played twice as fast though.
And many, many of the songs after FALAA are re-inventions of the same sisters 'song. Which is the real reason btw why there isn't going to be a new album ever: the man has nothing new to give.
Re: TOL - Gimme Shelter
Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 20:13
by Husek
PipoTheClown wrote:Well, the chords of Gimme Shelter are exactly the same as in Temple Of Love and so is the guitarriff. On TOL it's playes twice as fast though.
And many, many of the songs after FALAA are re-inventions of the same sisters 'song. Which is the real reason btw why there isn't going to be a new album ever: the man has nothing new to give.
@Gimme shelter - Now exactly equal, take a guitar and try to play Temple in Gimme shelter timing and you'll see how wrong it 'll look.
Gimme Shelter it's very near to temple when you hear, but isn't when you play
@Re-inventions: Arms and Still are pretty originals.
(apart from Killing Joke Songs)
Re: TOL - Gimme Shelter
Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 20:20
by PipoTheClown
Husek wrote:PipoTheClown wrote:Well, the chords of Gimme Shelter are exactly the same as in Temple Of Love and so is the guitarriff. On TOL it's playes twice as fast though.
And many, many of the songs after FALAA are re-inventions of the same sisters 'song. Which is the real reason btw why there isn't going to be a new album ever: the man has nothing new to give.
@Gimme shelter - Now exactly equal, take a guitar and try to play Temple in Gimme shelter timing and you'll see how wrong it 'll look.
Gimme Shelter it's very near to temple when you hear, but isn't when you play
@Re-inventions: Arms and Still are pretty originals.
(apart from Killing Joke Songs)
Like I said, it's the same chord scheme (e-d-a if I recall correctly). And when you play GM, it's really easy to see how A.E. came up with the riff for TOL.
As a guitar player: it's a LOT easier to play GM
Re: TOL - Gimme Shelter
Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 21:58
by Husek
PipoTheClown wrote:Husek wrote:PipoTheClown wrote:Well, the chords of Gimme Shelter are exactly the same as in Temple Of Love and so is the guitarriff. On TOL it's playes twice as fast though.
And many, many of the songs after FALAA are re-inventions of the same sisters 'song. Which is the real reason btw why there isn't going to be a new album ever: the man has nothing new to give.
@Gimme shelter - Now exactly equal, take a guitar and try to play Temple in Gimme shelter timing and you'll see how wrong it 'll look.
Gimme Shelter it's very near to temple when you hear, but isn't when you play
@Re-inventions: Arms and Still are pretty originals.
(apart from Killing Joke Songs)
Like I said, it's the same chord scheme (e-d-a if I recall correctly). And when you play GM, it's really easy to see how A.E. came up with the riff for TOL.
As a guitar player: it's a LOT easier to play GM
Temple it's E-D-A, gimme shelter it's more like...
G|-----4-4---4---------2-2---2-------2-----2-----2---2-----2-------
D|---6---------6-----4---------4-----------------------2-----2-----
A|-4-------------4-2-------------2-0---0-0---0-0---------0-----0-2-
Close, but not the same scheme
BTW, indeed, GM it's pretty easier than GM
Re: Riff Stealing
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 00:17
by Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
centurionofprix wrote:
Floorshow has that Dead Souls (Joy Division) beat.
Was listening to SGWBM in the car today and couldn't help noticing the similarity between the chords on the main guitar riff on
Dead Souls on the bit where Ian sings "They keep calling me" and that on the "Let it wrap itself around her" bit of
Anaconda. Uncanny.