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@Sinnie: Like any kind of subculture/uniformed community. it's always sad when you look at it as 'outsider'.

Bartek wrote:@Sinnie: Like any kind of subculture/uniformed community. it's always sad when you look at it as 'outsider'.

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean..?

It's always funny to watch any subculture with their habits, how them see themself in group, who is more true and who less and who is just poser, obviously according to them.

Oh, aye, but that's all based on opinion - which is, of course, entirely subjective.

Are you the Judean People's Front?

Tim - It's horrific. It's a YouTube car-crash. It's wrong.

I love it.

markfiend wrote:Are you the Judean People's Front?

markfiend wrote:Are you the Judean People's Front?

I needed twa posts to say someting that You said in 7 words.
And

Then again, it is half-witty, the editing and the camera work is rather good and I think it is taking the p*ss nicely with one of those idiot hypes that will dwindle in a couple of months.

Well done you guys... 5 minutes of fame is guaranteed!

IZ.

I thought it was the People's Front of Judea
one of my fav scenes ever

SINsister wrote:What Steve said.

Though I loathe the whole "Gangnam Style" thing (more like GAGnam, imho ), and think it's imbecilic and irritating as hell, I'm frankly shocked at some of the responses in this thread to our Tim's vid. Really, the "gothier-than-thou" attitudes have put me right off - they're why I dropped out of the "scene" time and again in L.A. and Chicago, because I couldn't handle the arrogance and pretentiousness of what amounted to a bunch of petty wankers.

I'll never forget an evening years ago at an L.A. goth club, where everyone was engaged all night in a desperate attempt to out-goth one another. As the night drew to a close, the DJ suddenly slapped on Deee-Lite's "Groove Is In The Heart." I marveled at how effortlessly the whole catty, spiteful lot of 'em went from "Helter Skelter trotting" to furiously wiggling their black-clad booties. It totally made my night, and I realized then what a big fucking joke it all was.

Shall the Whitby folks who hammed it up for the video be required to relinquish their Goth Cards (tm) now? Good grief.

I'm not a GOth...I'm too old too care about what subcultures are doing. I just did n't like it.

I might have been a bit harsh though....

There's no Goff, there's no Metal, there's no Pop.

There's only music, the rest is just Attitude and can be done away with after the expiry date.

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:There's no Goff, there's no Metal, there's no Pop.

There's only music, the rest is just Attitude and can be done away with after the expiry date.

IZ.

+1
i am telling the same since the 90's but little number of people can actually understand this, so simple, so true and so hard for many people to realize it

iesus wrote:

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:There's no Goff, there's no Metal, there's no Pop.

There's only music, the rest is just Attitude and can be done away with after the expiry date.

IZ.

+1
i am telling the same since the 90's but little number of people can actually understand this, so simple, so true and so hard for many people to realize it

Are you a musician yourself?

IZ.

iesus wrote:I thought it was the People's Front of Judea

Splitter!

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

iesus wrote:

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:There's no Goff, there's no Metal, there's no Pop.

There's only music, the rest is just Attitude and can be done away with after the expiry date.

IZ.

+1
i am telling the same since the 90's but little number of people can actually understand this, so simple, so true and so hard for many people to realize it

Are you a musician yourself?

IZ.

Your guess is correct, i have had a nice education in music that included many interesting things and did some band things also for a period of 12-13 years
I will not ask you IZ. cause i am pretty sure that you do music for many years now, your words prove it

i'm not gothier than thou. i dont hate it because it's not goth (whatever that means)...

i dont really care about genres either, a good tune is a good tune. i used to get slaughtered in some goff clubs for playing boney m and dolly parton, but f**k 'em. the 1st wave goff clubs i used to go to used to play all that sort of stuff... we had a sense of humour.

what i do care about is that this was a sad, cheap (mentally, not interested in the financial side of how much it cost) and predictable attempt at a joke. it's symptomatic of a moribund community trying to prop to itself up by attaching itself to a bit of passing pop culture. in doing so it debases itself and the culture it's trying to appeal to. let alone how it looks to the outside world ("f**king idiots! what a s**t sense of humour!"

it's like that f*cking "gothic people" reworking of the pulp song. it's a really sad, witless and cheap "gag".

and what really f**ks me off about it is that it perpetuates and /or legitimises a really irritating song, which thanks to this i will probably be hearing as the last song of the night in dodgy goth clubs for the next year or so...

no offence tim, but i really dislike it. others don't, clearly, so fair play to you, but i really, really dislike watching what to me looks like a cheap attempt at hitching on to a bandwagon to get a bit of publicity for a scene which is already regarded as a bit of a laughing stock by the rest of the world.

but hey ho, i've already wasted too much mental energy hearing, looking and thinking about this. like anything else in the world, it's a brief fad. it will pass...

whitby fried chicken and a pizza hut, anyone?

iesus wrote:

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:

iesus wrote: +1
i am telling the same since the 90's but little number of people can actually understand this, so simple, so true and so hard for many people to realize it

Are you a musician yourself?

IZ.

Your guess is correct, i have had a nice education in music that included many interesting things and did some band things also for a period of 12-13 years
I will not ask you IZ. cause i am pretty sure that you do music for many years now, your words prove it

Just as I thought!

Musicians don't care much about style and attitude, maybe they do at first but they will drop that after a couple of years, or it has to be a significant part of your performance.

I make music myself, free from any genre... I like it that way. And Goths and Metalfans alike like my music, and those are the people I do it for

IZ.

Quiff Boy wrote:... i will probably be hearing as the last song of the night in dodgy goth clubs for the next year or so...

Serves you right for going to dodgy goff clubs.

markfiend wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:... i will probably be hearing as the last song of the night in dodgy goth clubs for the next year or so...

Serves you right for going to dodgy goff clubs.

very true.

It's tedious.

Gollum's Cock wrote:I'm too old too care about what subcultures are doing. I just did n't like it.

I might have been a bit harsh though....

1. I'm probably older than you are, and I don't really give a rat's arse about the subcultures in question, either. The example I used in my initial post was a personal g*th club experience from 20 years ago.

b. I didn't like it, either. That's not the point, anyway.

pi. My comments weren't aimed at you.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:There's no Goff, there's no Metal, there's no Pop.

There's only music, the rest is just Attitude and can be done away with after the expiry date.

IZ.

Ah, but we don't live in a Utopia where everything and everyone isn't immediately judged and slapped with a facile and trivial label, regardless of how ignorant/disrespectful/way-off-the-mark/undeserved/hateful/degrading/demoralizing/downright stupid said label might be (and probably is).

Humans need to label everything, or they simply can't function. 'Twas ever thus, innit?

Quiff Boy wrote: no offence tim, but i really dislike it.

None taken, boss!

Quiff Boy wrote:but hey ho, i've already wasted too much mental energy hearing, looking and thinking about this. like anything else in the world, it's a brief fad. it will pass...

That's what I'd say to anyone offended. I'd also cite Von's First Law, but you already knew that.

SINsister wrote:

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:There's no Goff, there's no Metal, there's no Pop.

There's only music, the rest is just Attitude and can be done away with after the expiry date.

IZ.

Ah, but we don't live in a Utopia where everything and everyone isn't immediately judged and slapped with a facile and trivial label, regardless of how ignorant/disrespectful/way-off-the-mark/undeserved/hateful/degrading/demoralizing/downright stupid said label might be (and probably is).

Humans need to label everything, or they simply can't function. 'Twas ever thus, innit?

But you are NOT a musician, right? Then it's OK to do that! happily enough, as a musician, I really don't care about labels and genres, it is convenient to catalogue my cd's and LP's tho.... and yet.... I find that VERY hard to do these days, catalogue by genre I mean, so I have a feeling lots of bands and artists are fed up with the genre-thinking and do as they damn well please, which I hope will rub off on the fans as well....

A good evolution in my eyes!

IZ.