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Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 04:03
by La Shir
How is it embarrassing to die as a passenger in a car crash..?

I think any band that managed to get to number one in the charts four times is going to be remembered, death of lead singer or otherwise. Seem to remember Bolan was hosting a well-received music show and getting a bit of a second wind in terms of popularity when he died, for that matter.
Hell of a lot more than Eldo has achieved despite living twice as long.[/quote]

I didn't even THINK of comparing Eldo ( :notworthy:) to Marc in ANY way!!! (otherwise I would be member in a T.Rex - forum rather then being here with you fellows. :D :von: ) But...throwing Bolan in one melting pot with those typical "rockstar victim/tragic hero/ club 27 - kind of people" didn't seem right to me at all. :innocent:

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 08:54
by eastmidswhizzkid
to clarify:
marc bolan's inclusion in my first post was simply to illustrate by comparison an example of musical tedium (my opinion), who has now "ceased to be" (fact).
eastmidswhizzkid wrote: as for johnny....less talent than motley crue...and only slightly less tedious (though equally as extinct) as marc sodding bolan
it was never intended to infer his inclusion in the 27 club, or imply that his "falling off the perch" was anywhere near as glamorous or interestingly "rock'n'roll" as hedonistic self-destruction...

in my next post i merely expanded to being derogatory about the fans of prematurely "demised" rock stars , harping on endlessly about their "bereft-of-life" heroes as if their "running down the curtain and joining the choir invisible" were something more Messianic , like artistic sacrifices rather than acts born of human banality. Either way, this serves to keep their music bright and shiny, and unsullied by the fading popularity that increasingly weaker material/sordid revelations/adverts for butter that longevity could easily provide.

i didn't say t-rex weren't successful back then -quite the opposite in fact- but in the same way as gary glitter would be being spoken of in glowing terms of 70's credibility if he'd "kicked the bucket" before he made membership of his gang open to the under-16's, would mr bolan have remained an idol of the over-forties if he'd failed to "shuffle off this mortal coil", lost his looks in a hairspray/cigarette accident and embarrassed himself on a reality show by getting caught wanking-off a parrot? :twisted:

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 09:00
by Being645
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:to clarify:
marc bolan's inclusion in my first post was simply...
trapped in mannerism .... ;D :wink: :lol: ...

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 10:41
by million voices
So was your original post then to compare these folk who died young (and are venerated) and obviously haven't created anything in some time against our beloved leader who is still going (and is venerated) and hasn't created anything in some time.

Although actually both Thunders and Bolan have released more albums of new material than Eldo in the last twenty years and they do have the disadvantage of being dead.

I think I might be missing the point.

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 12:20
by bangles
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:to clarify:

in my next post i merely expanded to being derogatory about the fans of prematurely "demised" rock stars , harping on endlessly about their "bereft-of-life" heroes as if their "running down the curtain and joining the choir invisible" were something more Messianic , like artistic sacrifices rather than acts born of human banality. Either way, this serves to keep their music bright and shiny, and unsullied by the fading popularity that increasingly weaker material/sordid revelations/adverts for butter that longevity could easily provide.
Who should suggest how fans of deceased artist, (who you don't like) behave? I don't know who's being quoted above or who it's in relation to, but is it enough to say all fans of deceased rock stars behave the same? I'm not aware of anyone who thinks that death is less a tragic loss more an 'artistic sacrifice', - unless they died at there own hand. And even then, a large proportion would consider this a tragic waste.
eastmidswhizzkid wrote: would mr bolan have remained an idol of the over-forties if he'd failed to "shuffle off this mortal coil", lost his looks in a hairspray/cigarette accident and embarrassed himself on a reality show by getting caught wanking-off a parrot? :twisted:

Who knows?
I'd say yes. They might say I don't agree with his current career move but '20th Century Boy' is still awesome. The opening guitar riff makes me feel alive in a way few other pieces of music do. But that's just speculation & it see seems confusing to complain about people glorifying the dead & wondering what they could have achieved if they'd lived, and then, similarly speculating a possible alternate life, but from a negative point of view?

Or am i missing something?
:roll:

Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 00:46
by Debaser
Image


hee hee

Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 12:25
by Being645
Debaser wrote:Image


hee hee
:lol: :lol: :notworthy: ... "Original Receipe" ... :lol: ...

Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 12:44
by million voices
... and the New York Dolls were / are an absolutely huge influence on bands as diverse as Sex Pistols / Guns n Roses / Morrisey / Ramones / Hanoi Rocks / Japan / s**t Motley Crue to name but a few.

When the definitive history of 70's and 80's music gets writ The Dolls will get a far larger section than The Sisters. "Proto-punk" beats "Godfather of Goth"

Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 15:00
by DeWinter
Mind you, in my new spirit of not being an argumentative sod , I did think similar thoughts when Heath Ledger died. "Was good in a superhero movie" would have been a far more fitting epitaph for him than "a great actor". Anyone who had the misfortune to watch "Brokeback Mountain" would raise an eyebrow at claims that he was a great actor who would have churned out classic after classic had he lived.

Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 17:47
by markfiend
Live slow
Die in late middle age
Leave an arterio-sclerotic corpse.

or something

Posted: 13 Jan 2013, 20:04
by La Shir
markfiend wrote:Live slow
Die in late middle age
Leave an arterio-sclerotic corpse.

or something
:lol: :notworthy:

Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 22:31
by H. Blackrose
Quiff Boy wrote:degville has just maid a rather bizarre public request on facebook for tony and neal to get SSS back together :o

quite surreal.
Degville did something REALLY horrible in 2003-4 that TJ and X don't want to talk about, but they said back then that they'd never work with Degville again because of it. And then Degville's been stealing the SSS name for his solo gigs on and off for the last ten years or so. Perhaps the drugs just wore off.

Posted: 24 Jan 2013, 23:19
by million voices
Based on absolutely nothing at all but my theory as to why Deggers split with TJ and X :-

In 2003 Bowie recorded Love Missile as a b-side credited only to Degville and Whitmore (X) as James who was co-credited on the original Sputnik offering was only responsible for the overdubs, movie bits, voice-overs etc.

Maybe TJ and X thought that TJ should have a credit but Deggers said no

Just a thought

Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 01:47
by H. Blackrose
For those interested: TJ says in a recent post that he'd only be interested in a Sputnik reunion with Degville if it was a full-blown one - a full 1986 wall-of-TV-sets, Ultravixens, two live electro-drummers deal, rather than a 2000 "TJ, X, and Degville in a tiny club" deal. And doubts that they could pull it off at this stage in their lives. But....

Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 01:55
by Quiff Boy
million voices wrote:Based on absolutely nothing at all but my theory as to why Deggers split with TJ and X :-

In 2003 Bowie recorded Love Missile as a b-side credited only to Degville and Whitmore (X) as James who was co-credited on the original Sputnik offering was only responsible for the overdubs, movie bits, voice-overs etc.

Maybe TJ and X thought that TJ should have a credit but Deggers said no

Just a thought
blimey. i did not know that! :o

:notworthy: