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christophe wrote:

SINsister wrote:Re: M'era Luna: I was also referring to the festival attendees; I'm not opposed to (decent) industrial music, as I was quite the rivethead during my Chicago days. It's the...I dunno...over-the-top, "manufactured" Instagram g*th thing that irks, I guess. What happened to the DIY aesthetic? You know what I mean–the days when a pair of ripped-up fishnets worn as a top and a bit of backcombing and hairspray were enough..? I love piercings and tattoos, but it's gotten to the point that the most subversive thing that one can do with one's appearance in the "alternative" scenes nowadays is to NOT have any piercings or tattoos! WTF?! *Sigh*

Incidentally, I think it's hilarious that ol' Android and the boys played this year's M'era Luna. They must've seemed like a freakish anomaly...

was I on any of those pictures?

what bothered me the past couple of days was the fact 90% of the people who attended M'era Luna ware Goths (duh)
but, where ware the Punks, the general music lovers, the kids with big eyes in awe of everything around them???
no, Goth has become a self-sustaining entity, old Goths make new Goths and so on, but where is the new blood? there are a lot of thing happening elsewhere musicwhise, but the "scene" seems to be afraid of anything that is new and exciting.


sorry for ranting on.

Quite reasonable if you ask me, can't stand the I only listen to X and only X type of music apart from younger teenagers. I was a right metal head when younger, but people said listen to this and early on I was introduced to the wonders of Kraftwerk. So I go to see them and the same night Saxon are playing, get on a train and a lad I knew got on. he was disgusted I was going as a long haired metal head to see that fake music, asked if I was gay and all sorts of idiocy. It seems some just walk around blinkered and won't listen to or consider dressing outside of a narrow definition. Cant stand it but their loss.

Alex66 wrote:Quite reasonable if you ask me, can't stand the I only listen to X and only X type of music apart from younger teenagers.

Yeah I've known people who only liked one particular genre of music, but within that genre they liked all of it. But with any genre there's going to be some good stuff and some dross, it's craziness to like all of it, where's the quality control? But yes, those were people I knew when I was in my teens. One hopes they became more discerning later on.

SINsister wrote:Re: M'era Luna: I was also referring to the festival attendees; I'm not opposed to (decent) industrial music, as I was quite the rivethead during my Chicago days. It's the...I dunno...over-the-top, "manufactured" Instagram g*th thing that irks, I guess. What happened to the DIY aesthetic? You know what I mean–the days when a pair of ripped-up fishnets worn as a top and a bit of backcombing and hairspray were enough..? I love piercings and tattoos, but it's gotten to the point that the most subversive thing that one can do with one's appearance in the "alternative" scenes nowadays is to NOT have any piercings or tattoos! WTF?! *Sigh*

I think you've hit the nail right on the head. What bothers me most about Teh Kidzz these days (and it's any subgroup) is that it's less about the look and more about the label. It can't just be any checked shirt, it has to be Ben Sherman. It has to be Fjalraven or Herschel backpacks, Warby Parker glasses - there's no individuality. Sure, we all dressed in black, but there was the "ultragoth" black wedding dress and frock coat crowd, the "casual" tight black jeans and t-shirt lot, the "militant" (black combats and army shirt from the army-surplus place on the market) - it was about how you felt, not about what you bought. Some of us wore Docs, combat boots, really pointy black suede boots, really pointy shiny leather shoes, but the sense of belonging, regardless of what we were wearing - that seems to be missing from the culture these days. You can go and buy your identity these days - it's not an evolution, it's a costume, disposable when the next trend happens along. Could be I'm waxing nostalgic, but I'm pretty sure we weren't like that (y'know, back when all this was fields, and you could get a tram into town, upstairs at the flicks, and cod n'chips for thruppence ha'penny).

i suppose this post supercedes the original point of the thread, but with the advent of my discovering the HL FB page i'm going to send friend requests to anyone i come across there. it is just HLers there i presume?

EvilBastard wrote:

SINsister wrote:Re: M'era Luna: I was also referring to the festival attendees; I'm not opposed to (decent) industrial music, as I was quite the rivethead during my Chicago days. It's the...I dunno...over-the-top, "manufactured" Instagram g*th thing that irks, I guess. What happened to the DIY aesthetic? You know what I mean–the days when a pair of ripped-up fishnets worn as a top and a bit of backcombing and hairspray were enough..? I love piercings and tattoos, but it's gotten to the point that the most subversive thing that one can do with one's appearance in the "alternative" scenes nowadays is to NOT have any piercings or tattoos! WTF?! *Sigh*

I think you've hit the nail right on the head. What bothers me most about Teh Kidzz these days (and it's any subgroup) is that it's less about the look and more about the label. It can't just be any checked shirt, it has to be Ben Sherman. It has to be Fjalraven or Herschel backpacks, Warby Parker glasses - there's no individuality. Sure, we all dressed in black, but there was the "ultragoth" black wedding dress and frock coat crowd, the "casual" tight black jeans and t-shirt lot, the "militant" (black combats and army shirt from the army-surplus place on the market) - it was about how you felt, not about what you bought. Some of us wore Docs, combat boots, really pointy black suede boots, really pointy shiny leather shoes, but the sense of belonging, regardless of what we were wearing - that seems to be missing from the culture these days. You can go and buy your identity these days - it's not an evolution, it's a costume, disposable when the next trend happens along. Could be I'm waxing nostalgic, but I'm pretty sure we weren't like that (y'know, back when all this was fields, and you could get a tram into town, upstairs at the flicks, and cod n'chips for thruppence ha'penny).

"If Rock and Roll is all about rebellion why does everyone dress the same"

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:i suppose this post supercedes the original point of the thread, but with the advent of my discovering the HL FB page i'm going to send friend requests to anyone i come across there. it is just HLers there i presume?

I would imagine not.
Feel free to add me,if you search for David Ribbons Green I don't think that there will be to many different ones.

Meh. Probably won't rejoin Arsebook (at least, not right now), but you *can* find me here. Fewer people milling about, methinks. Just the way I like it.

christophe wrote:was I on any of those pictures?

Unfortunately, not that I could see. Unless, of course, your identity was completely and utterly obscured by fanciful makeup (applied with a garden trowel, from the looks of things), mismatched creepy contact lenses, and various stuck-on bits and bobs (like everyone else's)..? Wait–perhaps that *was* you!

christophe wrote:what bothered me the past couple of days was the fact 90% of the people who attended M'era Luna ware Goths (duh)
but, where ware the Punks, the general music lovers, the kids with big eyes in awe of everything around them???
no, Goth has become a self-sustaining entity, old Goths make new Goths and so on, but where is the new blood? there are a lot of thing happening elsewhere musicwhise, but the "scene" seems to be afraid of anything that is new and exciting.

IMHO, I'm sure a lot of the folks in attendance were there merely to "see and be seen." G*th these days seems to be more of a competitive fashion show than anything else. "Famous" g*th girls with their Instagram/YooToob followers in the hundreds of thousands (I kid you not!) getting together for photo shoots and whatnot...I wonder if they could name any of the bands who played..? Meh.

There's no "scene" around here to speak of, really, but a local ska/punk/reggae group (DH just happens to be friends of theirs) does manage to attract decent-sized crowds that include a good mix of folks (there was even a hippie chick in a long, flowy skirt and bare feet in attendance a couple of weeks ago). Guess I should be thankful...

Anyone here called Klaus who's just asked to join HL on FB?

SINsister wrote: There's no "scene" around here to speak of, really, but a local ska/punk/reggae group (DH just happens to be friends of theirs) does manage to attract decent-sized crowds that include a good mix of folks (there was even a hippie chick in a long, flowy skirt and bare feet in attendance a couple of weeks ago). Guess I should be thankful...

"The Wu-Tang Clan of Ska?" For some reason, I thought you were in London. I also have resisted the siren-call of Facebook.

sultan2075 wrote:"The Wu-Tang Clan of Ska?"

I guess..? I dunno much about Wu-Tang Clan, but The Hempsteadys do include a bit of rap and some degree of yelling in their songs/sets (much to my chagrin)...

sultan2075 wrote:For some reason, I thought you were in London.

WHAAAAAAAAT?! In my DREAMS, ol' chap! That was "by the WRONG Thames," silly.

EvilBastard wrote:What bothers me most about Teh Kidzz these days (and it's any subgroup) is that it's less about the look and more about the label. It can't just be any checked shirt, it has to be Ben Sherman. It has to be Fjalraven or Herschel backpacks, Warby Parker glasses - there's no individuality.

It's all about fashion and brand consumption. And Instagram and likes, of course. Strike a pose, there's nothing to it. I don't think they even understand that there was a bit more substance to the various youth subcultures in the past. The only exception left may be the metal scene.

SINsister wrote: WHAAAAAAAAT?! In my DREAMS, ol' chap! That was "by the WRONG Thames," silly.

huh. Well, what do you know? I've been under the impression you'd been moved to London for a few years now. Crazy. No idea where I got that idea.

emilystrange wrote:Anyone here called Klaus who's just asked to join HL on FB?

O/T, but my sister used to have a doll that I swore was male and called Klaus. Wasn't until years later that she finally asked me, "Evil, why did you used to call my Barbie Klau...ooooh, now I get it."

EvilBastard wrote:O/T, but my sister used to have a doll that I swore was male and called Klaus. Wasn't until years later that she finally asked me, "Evil, why did you used to call my Barbie Klau...ooooh, now I get it."

HORRID, just horrid.

SINsister wrote:

EvilBastard wrote:O/T, but my sister used to have a doll that I swore was male and called Klaus. Wasn't until years later that she finally asked me, "Evil, why did you used to call my Barbie Klau...ooooh, now I get it."

HORRID, just horrid.

It's that kind of family. I blame my parents - as a tiny tiny bastard I was given a stuffed toy in the shape of a donkey. My parents named him "Hoatie". Never thought anything of it, figured that it had been a gift from one of my dad's business friends called Mr. Hoatie. Or something.

20 years later I'm looking at my gf's bookshelf, picked one out - "This Don Quicksote - any good?" Who? "Don Quicksote." Oh, you mean Don Quixote?

Penny dropped with deafening clang.

EvilBastard wrote:It's that kind of family. I blame my parents - as a tiny tiny bastard I was given a stuffed toy in the shape of a donkey. My parents named him "Hoatie". Never thought anything of it, figured that it had been a gift from one of my dad's business friends called Mr. Hoatie. Or something.

20 years later I'm looking at my gf's bookshelf, picked one out - "This Don Quicksote - any good?" Who? "Don Quicksote." Oh, you mean Don Quixote?

Penny dropped with deafening clang.

That's AWESOME.

christophe wrote:

SINsister wrote:Re: M'era Luna: I was also referring to the festival attendees; I'm not opposed to (decent) industrial music, as I was quite the rivethead during my Chicago days. It's the...I dunno...over-the-top, "manufactured" Instagram g*th thing that irks, I guess. What happened to the DIY aesthetic? You know what I mean–the days when a pair of ripped-up fishnets worn as a top and a bit of backcombing and hairspray were enough..? I love piercings and tattoos, but it's gotten to the point that the most subversive thing that one can do with one's appearance in the "alternative" scenes nowadays is to NOT have any piercings or tattoos! WTF?! *Sigh*

Incidentally, I think it's hilarious that ol' Android and the boys played this year's M'era Luna. They must've seemed like a freakish anomaly...

was I on any of those pictures?

what bothered me the past couple of days was the fact 90% of the people who attended M'era Luna ware Goths (duh)
but, where ware the Punks, the general music lovers, the kids with big eyes in awe of everything around them???
no, Goth has become a self-sustaining entity, old Goths make new Goths and so on, but where is the new blood? there are a lot of thing happening elsewhere musicwhise, but the "scene" seems to be afraid of anything that is new and exciting.


sorry for ranting on.

i think you just have to go with the concept of a themed festival and live with it.

I'd suggest 90% didn't 'watch' any bands but hey, it's their money and their choice. Everyone had fun and there was loads of styles of music for those few who did. The clue is in the title 'darkest festival in Europe.

I'm sure many of the brides, gimps, cyber goths went to work in suits Monday in the same way as the vast majority of 'punks' did after 4 days of Rebellion.

Saddest thing was lack of sisters fans

Meh...

@ Lee so far your FB seems to be Mr potty mouth

eta: i thought this lot were awesome, not goth, funny - relived early Ministry for me, but the point, look at the crowd (not clever enough to do a pic of it, so @ 3.26 for example. no different than any other music crowd I've ever seen

https://www.ndr.de/unterhaltung/events/ ... na812.html

am amused
when my bro was tiny, we were told very firmly not to give him a certain nickname. so natch, his huge cuddly dog toy got that name. parents not happy

paint it black wrote: @ Lee so far your FB seems to be Mr potty mouth

i dont like to disappoint my fans... seriously though, i actually hate FB; i just see it as a necessary evil these days.

FB it is a kind of necessary evil, it's nice communication tool. But it doesn't mean that you (everyone) must post, share something every five minutes.

paint it black wrote:https://www.ndr.de/unterhaltung/events/ ... na812.html

Thanks for the link, PiB!

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