markfiend wrote:scotty wrote:I completely agree with the side you're on but the way you argue that that type of behaviour is acceptable or in anyway furthers and progresses your cause is an embarrassment, you have sunk to the level of the people you so vehemently disagree with, there's a time and a place to punch these feckers in the face, that was not it.
See, I disagree with that. I would have to do a hell of a lot worse than punching a fascist (or actually, only laughing at a fascist who's just been punched in the face) to have sunk to the same level as the Nazis.
Let me remind you that the Nazis are calling for - and 70 years ago nearly damn succeeded in - the extermination of entire ethnicities, sexualities, etc.
Trump is actually talking about building
concentration camps and some folk are getting upset about a fascist being punched in the face?
Get a sense of perspective.
I get where you coming from Mark, my point is the cowardly way, hypocritical manner in which it was done, I think we're about the same age, I, maybe you too, had grand parents that fought in ww2, my maternal grand dad was sent home after being injured, he lost two older brothers and I think three cousins, my paternal grand dad was scarred for life from being at the liberation of Belson prison camps, these men did not sucker punch wee guys from the side line with face masks on so they could not be identified!
I was at high school in 1984, at the hight of the miners strike, I saw bus loads of men and women going to the picket lines day after day, 3rd and 4th generation of families from the village where I grew up and from mining communities around, they went to fight and stand up for a cause that they believed in, not one went dressed in black with a face mask on, they stood toe to toe against the police and security for all to see, they took the beatings, they took the court charges and they went to prison, proud of the cause there were fighting for, brave, not hiding.
Look at the woman of Greenham Common, how many of them were dressed in black and fa e masked to hide thier identities? They got the respect and admiration for the way they protested and conducted them selves, again, some were arrested and charged, but were willing for people to see who they were, courage of thier convictions for all to see.
On an individual level, look at Peter Tachell, for me, the bravest man in the country at the time, what he did to further the rights of gay people in the UK has been fundamental in the law changes and the progress made. Did he hide behind a face mask? Was he dressed in black along with a gang of anonymous figures? He stood alone in front of the world's media, again, he was beaten up, arrested and charged, a very brave man.
The people in this black block mob are cowards, gutless and spineless individuals, not one willing to do what the people above did for the causes they believed in, they are terrified of not the beatings or arrest but are terrified of being identified!!!!!!!! Ridiculous and worthy of nobody's respect. Chaotican and his merry band of professional agont pravocatures, anarchists, trouble makers and the trust fund kids who are just going through the rebellious and difficult stage in life can play dress up and walk down a street in thier black fatigues and face masks on blowing thier whistles and feeling all big and hard for an afternoon, but God forbid anyone finds out who they are!!!! I've got no real problem with punching a fascist, but they, in this case, it was done was cowardly in the extreme, if the guy had threw the punch had done so in plain view, maybe confronted the man and shouted why he was doing it, he would have been arrested, interviewed and been able to get publicity against the far right, instead he came out of nowhere and slunk back into the anonymous crowd like a rat.
I can only imagine how his alt right mates were rubbing thier hands in satisfaction at someone lawfully carrying out his first ammendment right when he was assaulted by some masked assailants, theis clip will be shown at every fascist meeting for years, they made a totem of the wee dick around which other far right arsehole will gather, they will use it as a propaganda weapon to turn the views of other ignorant misguided young people who may not have thought about joining a right wing group.
These black clad, mask wearing......and while I'm on the subject, "face masks help protect against tear gas"!!!!!! My arse!!! A gas mask will protect you against tear gas not a fuckin snood!!!! These people are alienating the very people the claim to represent, the moderate centrists. I'll stand by my initial statement that these people and the way the guy was punched is an act of cowardice carried out by cowardly people who do not have the back bone or courage to stand up for a very worthwhile and important cause.
If a far right mob who were dressed in black wearing face masks rounded on an anti Nazi activist and some coward sucker punched them from out of nowhere the furore from the left would be deafning!!! It's this hypocrisy that weakens the argument and people can see through. You dont always fight fire with fire but more often than not, with water. You will never defeat the far right, never, people will always find a reason to hate others, it's how you change minds and debate them that keeps the balance in the sensible realm, if that wee arse wasn't punched there would be no great publicity for him and his arsehole kind, starve them of as much media coverage as possible, this is their oxygen, the black bloc tossers have, and continuly do so, shoot them selves in the foot with thier counterproductive actions.
Hey, some of us live in that philosophical state pretty much 24/7; it's not really a choice. 
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