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Posted: 27 May 2017, 01:07
by UniversalRinging
Markfiend: Thank you. What the hell’s it going to take for this guy lose his corporate sponsors?
Norman Hunter: That is very good news. Hope they get all the support they need.
Millionvoices: I agree with you as well that the history of the world is one of war, conquest, revenge and violence in general. But, the way I see it, Colonialism, (which begat American Imperialism – “E pluribus unum� and all that) and its bedfellow Capitalism, has created a very specific brand of global Western hegemony that is unprecedented in the history of the world. It’s not a matter of course that one in four people living speak English. Look, I don’t mean any disrespect to your opinions and I really don’t want to pick a fight. I quite like you and your posts, they're smart and funny. Anyway, my point was, mostly, f**k Morrissey. I’ll shut up now.
Posted: 30 May 2017, 16:42
by EvilBastard
Posted: 30 May 2017, 16:58
by iesus
i read somewhere, ( perhaps here but not sure because of low caffeine levels in my blood ) that if that strike happened in U.S. of A the hospitals would send bills to families for their deads, is it true ?
Posted: 30 May 2017, 17:13
by EvilBastard
iesus wrote:i read somewhere, ( perhaps here but not sure because of low caffeine levels in my blood ) that if that strike happened in U.S. of A the hospitals would send bills to families for their deads, is it true ?
Probably. I've known of situations where the next of kin aren't allowed to see or reclaim the body of their loved one until they've signed paperwork that says "If my insurance doesn't cover this then I am liable for expenses."
Although in all honesty it probably happens anywhere where medical treatment is not free at the point of service.
Posted: 31 May 2017, 03:11
by Chaotican
EvilBastard wrote:iesus wrote:i read somewhere, ( perhaps here but not sure because of low caffeine levels in my blood ) that if that strike happened in U.S. of A the hospitals would send bills to families for their deads, is it true ?
Wait - you mean send a bill to the families of the bombers? No, it doesn't work that way. Interesting concept. There is a program for victims of violent crimes that allows them to recoup costs of mental health care and various other expenses, but that is not an automatic process.
The victims would absolutely be responsible for their own hospital bills, but they would almost certainly be admitted without showing proof of insurance. The bills would come later.
Posted: 31 May 2017, 06:17
by Bartek
So, it is like: "we all do fell really sorry for your loss, but business is business".
Posted: 31 May 2017, 17:16
by Chaotican
Bartek wrote:So, it is like: "we all do fell really sorry for your loss, but business is business".
Yes, and it really is business. There are kind people with good intentions making decisions that favor life over profit...as long as there is still profit.
In cases that are publicized, many will step in to help. The joke around here is that Go Fund Me will soon be the top health care provider. There is something to be said for that and voluntary socialism with goodwill as a kind of currency. I used to think about that, about ending religion, and about the evolution of mankind. Now I mostly think about how we will tred water.
But yes, someone has to pay for hospital bills.
Posted: 01 Jun 2017, 09:15
by Bartek
I do understand it's just a buisiness, special and the most neddy type of business, but still a business.
Speaking of go fund me as main health care payer, some would say that i what some libertatians was predicted and said why there should not be any social benefits. (i'm not supporting liberatians, but in some cases it seems to be true).
Posted: 01 Jun 2017, 15:39
by Chaotican
Bartek wrote:
Speaking of go fund me as main health care payer, some would say that i what some libertatians was predicted and said why there should not be any social benefits. (i'm not supporting liberatians, but in some cases it seems to be true).
Unfortunately, voluntary contributions depend on an individual's values. While I don't subscribe to the theory that the wealthiest among us are more amoral than others, I do think that the human creature in general is pre-disposed to make selfish and awful decisions. We need to tap into that urge and facilitate a primal reward for altruism if we're going to get mass cooperation.
Charity is rampant among those who don't have much, which is an interesting discussion in itself. What we end up with, obviously, is the same old system which the bloated elite guard their power while masses struggle and no one is at any kind of peace.
Anyway, we're not going to solve it all this year. The best we can do is use only what we need, share the excess, and protect the vulnerable as we hope that we're all actually capable of progress.
Posted: 02 Jun 2017, 08:39
by Bartek
That's completely different issue, and i don't think it's right theard to do this.