Heartland

markfiend wrote:One thing I've heard is that the live music industry as a whole in the UK is asking the government for £50 million.

For comparison Wetherspoons has received £48.3 million

Aye, but Wetherspoons' chief is a Brexit-supporting Tory donor who inspired the PM's haircut. Coincidental, I'm sure.

I wouldn't drink in Spoons if it was the last pub on Earth, although I might have a wander past tomorrow to see how the zombie apocalypse is looking by mid-afternoon. Morbid curiosity and all that ...

hellboy69 wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 10:55 "I'll get drive-thru"

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/05/ ... awful.html

not any more you won't.

Is this the future of gigs?

Just needs a sheep dog to herd everyone in , no thanks .

OLDFART wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 17:51 Just needs a sheep dog to herd everyone in , no thanks .

Haha.
I'm trying to understand why they bothered with platforms when just fence sections would have been easier & cheaper with the same result.

Pista wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 18:03

OLDFART wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 17:51 Just needs a sheep dog to herd everyone in , no thanks .

Haha.
I'm trying to understand why they bothered with platforms when just fence sections would have been easier & cheaper with the same result.

I know thing's will never be the same but that's just wrong

OLDFART wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 18:05
I know thing's will never be the same but that's just wrong

That they're trying to figure out a solution is a good thing. We need gigs & the bands need the income since spotify et al are right royally ripping them off.
Thing is, I can't see this being a massive difference to the drive in shows that were eventually canned. Only difference is you're stood in a little pen instead of sat in your car.

Pista wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 18:19

OLDFART wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 18:05
I know thing's will never be the same but that's just wrong

That they're trying to figure out a solution is a good thing. We need gigs & the bands need the income since spotify et al are right royally ripping them off.
Thing is, I can't see this being a massive difference to the drive in shows that were eventually canned. Only difference is you're stood in a little pen instead of sat in your car.

True , but then again i hate fests , just wonder where this will leave small gigs .

So here we are at the end of the year and still no end in sight. In many place still getting worse, not better. In and out of lockdowns, without and difference made.

Slight ray of sunshine in the vaccine rollout. How long you think before that makes a difference? Will venues (and other retail outlets) insist on ‘proof of vaccine’ before allowing entry?

Or is it simply a matter of letting the vaccine do its thing and watching the numbers slowly fall back to an eventual zero? How long will that take you think?

Not before summer, I guess. The numbers are just too high. And it takes time to produce, distribute and apply all the vaccine for the entire world population ... let's hope all works fine with the vaccines ... ...

The talk surrounding Glastonbury over the last few days doesn't paint summer in anything other than another shade of empty for gigs.

I'll get my coat.

I recently had a vaccination against the flu and my doctor said not to expect normality before 2022. I refuse to believe that though. Would be too frustrating. Still hoping to see old Von at M‘Era Luna in August.

Well this new strain f covid certainly putting a damper on all the good vibes from the vaccine rollouts. 2022 might be more realistic if things continue at this rate. Fucks sakes.

One of the worries for me is this;
If we don't have any gigs before 2022, how many venues will there be left to host them in?

Would you have been comfortable going to this - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 0-audience ?
5000 people but only 30% capacity.

I'm not sure.

No I’m not comfortable with much of anything these days. Especially with Spector of this new highly transmissible strain. It’s not just the sitting 6 feet apart. Any enclosed space with poor ventilation will inevitably lead to you breathing in somebody’s breath. And then there’s the getting in and out of the joint. Can’t see an efficient socially distanced way to do that.

Just not worth it yet. However many (most) of my neighbors are quite happy to ignore shelter in place orders and do as they please. I’ve just about had it with these arseholes. There will be no gigs - or school or jobs or sports - until people get their s**t together, which doesn’t look like happening any time soon. Grrrr

Where are you DJElectricDaddy? I was under the impression you're in the US somewhere?

ruffers wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 16:28 Where are you DJElectricDaddy? I was under the impression you're in the US somewhere?

Yep, @ruffers im in the cultural wastelands of Southern California, behind the orange curtain in Fullerton - home of fender guitars (which is the cultural highlight of the region AFAIC)

DJElectricDaddy wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 03:40

ruffers wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 16:28 Where are you DJElectricDaddy? I was under the impression you're in the US somewhere?

Yep, @ruffers im in the cultural wastelands of Southern California, behind the orange curtain in Fullerton - home of fender guitars (which is the cultural highlight of the region AFAIC)

ahh, cool.

i spend a bit of time in laguna beach back in 2012 - about 6 weeks

was doing some work with ASICS based in irvine, and a few of us went out there and got a house in laguna

Got friends who are booking gigs for next summer but I just can't see it happening , nothing would make me happier than being proved wrong .

Yeah, after being initially optimistic about next September I feel suddenly more despondent. Like OLDFART though, it would be the greatest treat ever for this pessimistic attitude to be proved wrong.

I think it's about another year before some things return to something we used to call "normal". Combo of vaccines, herd immunity and a slide in new cases, hospitalizations, etc. There's no other way, it's simply out of control now.

In the States, I don't see lockdowns doing much of anything if you still have people freely traveling around. Any federal mandates are a non-starter, would lead to unrest or states will just ignore the orders.

I don't see bands being able to tour, even if some areas are better than others, travel and dates would become more selective and that's probably not viable. Maybe outdoor festivals will be viable, but say a 1000-2000 capacity indoor theater (pretty much the bulk of Sisters dates)...I don't see that coming back for a long time.

*sigh, I still hope the virus mutates into self-destruction ...

Quiff Boy wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 21:11

DJElectricDaddy wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 03:40

ruffers wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 16:28 Where are you DJElectricDaddy? I was under the impression you're in the US somewhere?

Yep, @ruffers im in the cultural wastelands of Southern California, behind the orange curtain in Fullerton - home of fender guitars (which is the cultural highlight of the region AFAIC)

ahh, cool.

i spend a bit of time in laguna beach back in 2012 - about 6 weeks

was doing some work with ASICS based in irvine, and a few of us went out there and got a house in laguna

Oh wow, no way. Cool. Yes u picked a great place to stay, as you well know. Laguna is lovely if a little spoilt by tourism these days. And there is only one road in or out so traffic always sucks.

As for Irvine. Yuppy corporate hell. Spent enough wasted years working in some office block in the shadow of John Wayne airport.

Needless to say,if you’re ever out this way again several rounds are on me. If rounds are ever a thing again.

Back to the original topic, at which point do you think Von gives up hope of touring and designs a new website? And a love steam gig and a new studio album and a 40th anniversary documentary and free T-shirt’s for everyone and and and

DJElectricDaddy wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 11:28

Quiff Boy wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 21:11

DJElectricDaddy wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 03:40

Yep, @ruffers im in the cultural wastelands of Southern California, behind the orange curtain in Fullerton - home of fender guitars (which is the cultural highlight of the region AFAIC)

ahh, cool.

i spend a bit of time in laguna beach back in 2012 - about 6 weeks

was doing some work with ASICS based in irvine, and a few of us went out there and got a house in laguna

Oh wow, no way. Cool. Yes u picked a great place to stay, as you well know. Laguna is lovely if a little spoilt by tourism these days. And there is only one road in or out so traffic always sucks.

As for Irvine. Yuppy corporate hell. Spent enough wasted years working in some office block in the shadow of John Wayne airport.

Needless to say,if you’re ever out this way again several rounds are on me. If rounds are ever a thing again.

Back to the original topic, at which point do you think Von gives up hope of touring and designs a new website? And a love steam gig and a new studio album and a 40th anniversary documentary and free T-shirt’s for everyone and and and

Can't wait for the documentary.

I'll venture a guess if that there are no gigs in 2021, we'll see a slew of new merchandise for sale and perhaps more new songs listed on the (not re-designed) website, possibly with lyrics.