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Ahem, don’t hit me, but I never ever liked Lucretia. I could happily live without ever hearing it again.
I would really love Will I Dream, War On Drugs, Lights and Floorshow (only on the last day of the tour to let his voice recover afterwards :wink: ) to come back on. Alternatively I stand by my former wish of only new songs. ;D
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Icon wrote: 22 Aug 2024, 17:16 Ahem, don’t hit me, but I never ever liked Lucretia. I could happily live without ever hearing it again.
I would really love Will I Dream, War On Drugs, Lights and Floorshow (only on the last day of the tour to let his voice recover afterwards :wink: ) to come back on. Alternatively I stand by my former wish of only new songs. ;D
I like Lucretia, but that bassline is Iconic and starting the song the way is has been does it a disservice.
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satanarchist wrote: 23 Aug 2024, 16:42
Icon wrote: 22 Aug 2024, 17:16 Ahem, don’t hit me, but I never ever liked Lucretia. I could happily live without ever hearing it again.
I would really love Will I Dream, War On Drugs, Lights and Floorshow (only on the last day of the tour to let his voice recover afterwards :wink: ) to come back on. Alternatively I stand by my former wish of only new songs. ;D
I like Lucretia, but that bassline is Iconic and starting the song the way is has been does it a disservice.
You know what, I agree with this take, and more over the girls do tour with a Bass, I'd advocate to lucretia being one of the few songs played with a live bass, just like romeo down.
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Marian - just do Possession, already.

Dr. J/Det.Blvd, I Was Wrong, More - can even do without Something Fast

I Will Call You - Kai's parts need more work. They sound disconnected from the whole.
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I utterly disagree, I think Kai's new parts give the song a much-needed complexity.

Totally agree over Possession, though. Kai could definitely pull that off on acoustic.
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No Marian on a few of this tour's shows. My wish is fulfilled.

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ruffers wrote: 23 Sep 2024, 16:56 No Marian on a few of this tour's shows. My wish is fulfilled.

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satanarchist wrote: 23 Aug 2024, 16:42
Icon wrote: 22 Aug 2024, 17:16 Ahem, don’t hit me, but I never ever liked Lucretia. I could happily live without ever hearing it again.
I would really love Will I Dream, War On Drugs, Lights and Floorshow (only on the last day of the tour to let his voice recover afterwards :wink: ) to come back on. Alternatively I stand by my former wish of only new songs. ;D
I like Lucretia, but that bassline is Iconic and starting the song the way is has been does it a disservice.
I´ve sometimes wondered if certain live arrangements is Eldritch taking the p*ss. That bassline to Lucretia IS iconic, so let´s play an electric guitar chugga-chugga-version of it! The riff to First And Last And Always is arguably one of the most iconic guitar riffs ever, so let´s remove/change it COMPLETELY for years and years in the live set!
I kind of love it, kind of hate it. As with most things Eldritch.
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TheGoodSon wrote: 25 Sep 2024, 10:15
satanarchist wrote: 23 Aug 2024, 16:42
Icon wrote: 22 Aug 2024, 17:16 Ahem, don’t hit me, but I never ever liked Lucretia. I could happily live without ever hearing it again.
I would really love Will I Dream, War On Drugs, Lights and Floorshow (only on the last day of the tour to let his voice recover afterwards :wink: ) to come back on. Alternatively I stand by my former wish of only new songs. ;D
I like Lucretia, but that bassline is Iconic and starting the song the way is has been does it a disservice.
I´ve sometimes wondered if certain live arrangements is Eldritch taking the p*ss. That bassline to Lucretia IS iconic, so let´s play an electric guitar chugga-chugga-version of it! The riff to First And Last And Always is arguably one of the most iconic guitar riffs ever, so let´s remove/change it COMPLETELY for years and years in the live set!
I kind of love it, kind of hate it. As with most things Eldritch.
Logic was played without its riff for years too, Temple essentially didn't have the guitar riff from 98~2003, it was just the synth after the chorus with palm-muted guitars.
Body and Soul/Rock and a Hard Place got slightly different riffs, but they get a pass as it still pretty close to original.

...I actually love Floorshow 2009, but that's probably something as controversial as saying you really like YCBTO.
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TheGoodSon wrote: 25 Sep 2024, 10:15
satanarchist wrote: 23 Aug 2024, 16:42
Icon wrote: 22 Aug 2024, 17:16 Ahem, don’t hit me, but I never ever liked Lucretia. I could happily live without ever hearing it again.
I would really love Will I Dream, War On Drugs, Lights and Floorshow (only on the last day of the tour to let his voice recover afterwards :wink: ) to come back on. Alternatively I stand by my former wish of only new songs. ;D
I like Lucretia, but that bassline is Iconic and starting the song the way is has been does it a disservice.
I´ve sometimes wondered if certain live arrangements is Eldritch taking the p*ss. That bassline to Lucretia IS iconic, so let´s play an electric guitar chugga-chugga-version of it! The riff to First And Last And Always is arguably one of the most iconic guitar riffs ever, so let´s remove/change it COMPLETELY for years and years in the live set!
I kind of love it, kind of hate it. As with most things Eldritch.
I'm going to be a contrary fecker and say that I love the stripped-down industrial-sounding modern Lucretia. And THAT bassline does kick in halfway through the song anyway. A studio version of it would be a Very Fine Thing indeed, but I just wish they'd play the full song instead of cutting it short at "NOW IT'S DONE".
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The most recent stated position from Eldritch on this is that they play the songs with hard rock arrangements because that's what they find fun. I sort of get it - the snaky, squirming tension of Lucretia, and the way it erupts into theatrical bombast on the record rather requires the singer to perform 'in character', in a way that doesn't seem to appeal lately. Same with Corrosion. I think they're just playing certain songs in a way that emphasizes the lean, muscular riffage, because it's more fun for him to belt out some vocals over the top, in whatever register, and with whatever level of power and energy he feels he wants to. I see it less as taking the p*ss, and more about trying to decouple the songs from the record entirely.
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We need Under the Gun with Kai on Terri's vocal bits! :von:
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abridged wrote: 28 Sep 2024, 08:30 We need Under the Gun with Kai on Terri's vocal bits! :von:
That and War On Drugs instead of Lucretia and This Corrosion.
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mh wrote: 27 Sep 2024, 17:38 [

I'm going to be a contrary fecker and say that I love the stripped-down industrial-sounding modern Lucretia. And THAT bassline does kick in halfway through the song anyway. A studio version of it would be a Very Fine Thing indeed, but I just wish they'd play the full song instead of cutting it short at "NOW IT'S DONE".
That seems like the absolute best place to cut it short...
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Lucretia is played by them as my old band used to do, guitar instead of bass, so I can't complain. I wouldn't want them to drop "This Corrosion" as they have now reached a version that is simply great without having to employ a choir. What I could do without is "When I'm On Fire". I don't get it why Andrew likes this song so much. I find this quite boring.
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Kutan wrote: 02 Oct 2024, 17:58 Lucretia is played by them as my old band used to do, guitar instead of bass, so I can't complain. I wouldn't want them to drop "This Corrosion" as they have now reached a version that is simply great without having to employ a choir. What I could do without is "When I'm On Fire". I don't get it why Andrew likes this song so much. I find this quite boring.
Agreed re WIOF. Feels like tossed-off ideas assembled from the cutting room floor to me. I half expect the song exists simply to justify the wonderful title; there's not much else to it, although I suppose it gives Ben a brief solo.
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Wow, that’s surprising to me. WIOF is one of my favorites among the new songs. It’s got a race-you-to-the-finish-line punk rock element that really does it for me. Different strokes, etc.
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