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Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 08:17
by Padstar
Quiff Boy wrote:i'm not fighting... i do think portugal out-played us anyway. our midfield was shocking and we defended way too deep
if it was the other way round, i'd feel very very lucky indeed to have gotten away with that, especially given some of the other poor decisions the ref made
Spot on that man.
Paddy.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 08:18
by randdebiel²
Quiff Boy wrote:moonchild wrote:The players jumped into Ricardo and he couldn't even see the ball that's why your goal was not.
when you saw the reverse angle it was obvious that the 2 england players were actually climbing all over each other - they barely touched the portugal keeper
that was an optical illusion, on all the other angles you could see that's not true.... well, yes they climbed upon each other, bu they both obstructed the keep, in act there also was a plain fault along the way....
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 08:23
by Padstar
randdebiel² wrote:Quiff Boy wrote:moonchild wrote:The players jumped into Ricardo and he couldn't even see the ball that's why your goal was not.
when you saw the reverse angle it was obvious that the 2 england players were actually climbing all over each other - they barely touched the portugal keeper
that was an optical illusion, on all the other angles you could see that's not true.... well, yes they climbed upon each other, bu they both obstructed the keep, in act there also was a plain fault along the way....
I saw three angles of that incident, it was a goal. The keeper was not prevented from jumping for the ball, hence not a foul. The only contact that was mad was made when all the players were on the way down which was natural as you cant jump like that without your arms up.
Even RS knows it (though hes celebrating
)
Paddy.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 08:28
by randdebiel²
MoonKnight wrote:good referees are pretty rare and hard to find...
worst is the referee team in any world cups, when the line referees are from thailand, the field referee from norway and no one understand eachother... thats worst....
talk about bad refs in great tournaments
we had the jamaican one against brazil (prendergast)
and I remember our 1/8th final in I think Italy against germany with rothisbeger which was afterwards condamned for life for corruption
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 08:33
by randdebiel²
Padstar wrote:randdebiel² wrote:Quiff Boy wrote:
when you saw the reverse angle it was obvious that the 2 england players were actually climbing all over each other - they barely touched the portugal keeper
that was an optical illusion, on all the other angles you could see that's not true.... well, yes they climbed upon each other, bu they both obstructed the keep, in act there also was a plain fault along the way....
I saw three angles of that incident, it was a goal. The keeper was not prevented from jumping for the ball, hence not a foul. The only contact that was mad was made when all the players were on the way down which was natural as you cant jump like that without your arms up.
Even RS knows it (though hes celebrating
)
Paddy.
btw it seems there was also a case of off-side included....
I saw two faults....
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 08:54
by Padstar
lol... you think so.... how long after the initial ball was played
Dont forget it hit the post first, the linesman gave the goal...
Eh ?
Paddy.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 09:06
by randdebiel²
Padstar wrote:lol... you think so.... how long after the initial ball was played
Dont forget it hit the post first, the linesman gave the goal...
Eh ?
Paddy.
what do you mean?
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 09:31
by Padstar
Let me get this right incase im mistaken, your reffering to the dissalowed goal as being offside, or another decision in the game?
Paddy.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 09:39
by Mrs RicheyJames
Yes, but loosing to my future
husband makes it somewhat better
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 09:43
by Loki
Watching the TV camera pan along the Portugese team during their national anthem I was struck by the number of players who include dunking their hair in chip fat as part of their pre-match preparation.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 09:44
by Mrs RicheyJames
LOL
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 09:50
by markfiend
Any team that so obviously relied on an 18-year-old kid as England did (just look at the change after Rooney went off) don't deserve to win.
OK I'm a bit pissed off that I'm not going to win my bet now (unless someone cripples about 7 players including Ruud Van Nistleroy and Henrik Larsson), but you can't have everything.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:07
by Loki
markfiend wrote:Any team that so obviously relied on an 18-year-old kid as England did (just look at the change after Rooney went off) don't deserve to win.
OK I'm a bit pissed off that I'm not going to win my bet now (unless someone cripples about 7 players including Ruud Van Nistleroy and Henrik Larsson), but you can't have everything.
Sorry about the bet.
Tell you what, we'll all pretend you've won so you can still buy all the beers on sunday. Fair enough?
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:09
by markfiend
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:13
by Mrs RicheyJames
Johnny Boy wrote:markfiend wrote:Any team that so obviously relied on an 18-year-old kid as England did (just look at the change after Rooney went off) don't deserve to win.
OK I'm a bit pissed off that I'm not going to win my bet now (unless someone cripples about 7 players including Ruud Van Nistleroy and Henrik Larsson), but you can't have everything.
Sorry about the bet.
Tell you what, we'll all pretend you've won so you can still buy all the beers on sunday. Fair enough?
That's a very good idea JB
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:26
by RicheyJames
football is like an abusive relationship: you know you ought to walk away for the sake of your sanity, your physical well-being and your finances, but even though you go through hell week-in, week-out, you can't. why? because you truly believe, delusional as it may be, that if you can carry on putting up with it, things'll get better eventually...
and that is all i have to say on the subject (until august 7th)
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:28
by hallucienate
Please remember that it doesn't matter if your win or lose, it's how you play the game.
LOSERS!!!!
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:36
by Quiff Boy
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 10:40
by Loki
Who calls their son Cyrill?
Anyway, as he was born in 1959, isn't that a tentative enough reason to move this to Sisters Chat ...
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 11:00
by randdebiel²
Padstar wrote:Let me get this right incase im mistaken, your reffering to the dissalowed goal as being offside, or another decision in the game?
Paddy.
no, in my mind there was just a definite fault by terry, I was referring to soem commentators saying it was ALSO off-side....I didn't see that...
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 11:07
by MrChris
Terry seemed to pull down the goalie, but he only came down on him AFTER the ball was in the net. Sure the goalie couldn't reach it because Terry was in the way, but it's not a crime to jump for the ball, even if you get in the goalie's way. I don't think offside enters into it, because the linesman gave the goal, and the referee signalled only for a push.
That said, I don't think England did enough. We played negatively, and defended far too deep. We were lucky to lead for 80 minutes in the end, considering the number of shots Portugal had. I don't think we turned in the performances to get much further. I'm disappointed, but I think Portugal were much better to watch, and I hope they beat Holland (or Sweden) in the semis. They play quite nice football, and they took their chances. Good luck to them.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 11:11
by moonchild
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 11:17
by randdebiel²
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Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 11:26
by moonchild
MrChris wrote: and I hope they beat Holland (or Sweden) in the semis. They play quite nice football, and they took their chances. Good luck to them.
I hope too dear.
Posted: 25 Jun 2004, 11:27
by moonchild
The thing is that most of the contries in this competition (not only team but also supporters) camed to Portugal thinking that all was to them. We have the case of England (i still think they played very well.. and they made fault on the Ricardo
), of Germany, Italia and specially Spain (that was the most tasty victory of Portugal).
Ppl never believe in us (i can say not even i believe them),we lose the 1st game, everyone said poor Portugal, they don't play nothing... everyone after that, started to say that it would be so easy to win to a team that losed with Greece. The media put this country very down, other countries put this country very down (specially spain) but we are still surviving and still don't care if we win or lose, cause this Euro brought so much coulour to Portugal, so much ppl, so much fun,so much joy, that what we really wants is to be in peace with everyone and continue to party.
That is the spirit of the game, not to get so f***ed about losing. They are the ones that earn the millions and we are the ones that suffer, cry, get mad, get into fights... for nothing.
So, pls, instead of being mad, try to celebrate with me (it seems i'm the only one happy in here), and wish us good luck for the next game.
thank you
kisses to all
