Posted: 08 Sep 2004, 13:11
Anyone finding a mish verse that does not contain at least one hackneyed cliche should query its origins in my opinion.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2004, 20:58
Christ this place is full of nerds !
Posted: 15 Sep 2004, 21:26
play nice, or no jelly and iced cream for youLord of the Night wrote:Christ this place is full of nerds !
Posted: 15 Sep 2004, 21:35
Can't handle the E numbers I'm afraid - I have to stick to Banks' Mild !
Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 11:44
Wayne actually never made any bones about his difficulty with getting the lyrics together. Still, if you listen to either the Masque or Blue albums they have some good stuff on them - IMHO. First version of Dance on Glass appeared in '81 on a local Liverpool collection btw.
Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 11:55
IIRC Wayne gets a mention in Julian Cope's Head On, something to do with when he was in Dead Or Alive.Karst wrote:...on a local Liverpool collection btw.
Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 16:46
In print?MrChris wrote:Blimey, Mession lyrics don't come over well in print, do they?
Aww, sorry Wayne! I still do a little dance to 'Deliverance', I just forget all the English I know first.
Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 16:49
Ooof. Harsh.
But fair
But fair
Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 16:53
Yeah, well I edited it, because I realised how hypocritical that is for someone who is in possesion of Mish records.. I'm quite a good lyric-ignorer when I need to be.markfiend wrote:Ooof. Harsh.
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 10:18
Hey, don't beat yourself up about it I must confess to a couple of Mish records myself. Lyrics aren't the be-all and end-all of music; there's the music too 
I can think of a couple of Sisters songs with crap lyrics too.
"Phantom" and "Snub Nose/Top Nite Out"
I must confess to a couple of Mish records myself. Lyrics aren't the be-all and end-all of music; there's the music too I can think of a couple of Sisters songs with crap lyrics too.
"Phantom" and "Snub Nose/Top Nite Out"
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 12:56
its interesting that some people who claim to like sisters' music do not like the mish - which often seems to be a pragmatic decision, maybe even obsessive; or a sign of (blind?) loyalty.
just let the music entertain you.
if it helps, even von once mentioned that the music of the m*****n 'is ganz ok'
just let the music entertain you.
if it helps, even von once mentioned that the music of the m*****n 'is ganz ok'
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 13:12
not really.jost 7 wrote:its interesting that some people who claim to like sisters' music do not like the mish - which often seems to be a pragmatic decision, maybe even obsessive; or a sign of (blind?) loyalty.
since about 1987 the two bands have had very different musical directions with very different aesthetic values.
and when eldritch puts his stamp on a record, whatever it sounds like, it has a different feel to when wayne & co put there stamp on a record.
i just dont particularly like the mish's aesthetic, or wayne's "stamp". he can rattle off a mean "twiddly bit" on his guitar (see first half on "children") but thats about it for me i'f afraid :ruff:
i just dont see the two as being similar at all...
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 13:25
its everybody's own decision - for heaven's sake.....Quiff Boy wrote:not really.jost 7 wrote:its interesting that some people who claim to like sisters' music do not like the mish - which often seems to be a pragmatic decision, maybe even obsessive; or a sign of (blind?) loyalty.
since about 1987 the two bands have had very different musical directions with very different aesthetic values.
and when eldritch puts his stamp on a record, whatever it sounds like, it has a different feel to when wayne & co put there stamp on a record.
i just dont particularly like the mish's aesthetic, or wayne's "stamp". he can rattle off a mean "twiddly bit" on his guitar (see first half on "children") but thats about it for me i'f afraid :ruff:
i just dont see the two as being similar at all...
i think its clear that the sisters' stamp is different from the m*****n's stamp. although they are in fact different (especially their aesthetics) they have many similarities - at least i can see a lot of them.
but i really think that some sisters fans do have an obsessive hostility against the m*****n - which is nothing but stupid.
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 13:43
that's because it's really fun to do.jost 7 wrote: but i really think that some sisters fans do have an obsessive hostility against the m*****n - which is nothing but stupid.
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 15:43
That surprises me. I do see a hell of a lot of musical similarities, but still - they must have slipped some happy pills into his Earl Grey that day.jost 7 wrote:if it helps, even von once mentioned that the music of the m*****n 'is ganz ok'
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 15:53
Gods Own MEdicine obviously has some striking similarities with the previous Sisters material. But I agree 'Children' was big on the reverb and CarvedinSand sticking to a formula. Big unit shiftgers while Wayne was busy being a pop star. Worked well at the time - think the direction of Masque was brave and it has some excellent song writing on it.
All in all there really is no point in comparing. Both bands have very different angles musically and profile - release wise.
All in all there really is no point in comparing. Both bands have very different angles musically and profile - release wise.
Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 18:09
markfiend wrote:"Phantom" and "Snub Nose/Top Nite Out"
Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 23:57
interesting... i missed this comment the first time of reading 
http://www.ghostdance.co.uk/discography ... p?id=river
Ghost Dance Discography : Recording Diaries
River Of No Return
and the following couple of paragraphs are also worthy of note, even if they're slightly off this topic:
http://www.ghostdance.co.uk/discography ... p?id=river
Ghost Dance Discography : Recording Diaries
River Of No Return
Gary Marx wrote:The Sisters minus Eldritch had actually recorded a version of the song which became Yesterday Again in Strawberry. It was originally titled Frail And Torn and Wayne sang my half finished lyric one afternoon along with the first draft of the Mission’s Garden Of Delight. We used to refer to Frail And Torn jokingly as a potential Christmas single for the Sisters.
and the following couple of paragraphs are also worthy of note, even if they're slightly off this topic:
Gary Marx wrote:Celebrate was sort of written in my head on my birthday while out in the Black Swan in Wakefield. My birthday was the same day as the Sisters’ Royal Albert Hall Show, recorded for posterity on the Wake video. I was going to play the gig and then didn’t (far too hideous a tale to go into here). I knew by then it was going to mark the end of the Sisters as a real band and knew a good many of the crew and the following who would be at the gig and the emotion surrounding the evening – Celebrate was sort of a song for and about the event I wasn’t taking part in. I viewed it fairly positively – it wasn’t meant to be a rant by the injured party or anything.
Lines like ‘and on this hallowed ground..’ were really about the reverence the venue and the occasion seemed to invite and a sort of mental picture I had of the human pyramids, arms aloft and the smoke reaching up into the dome.
Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 23:59
also, from the same diary
Gary Marx wrote:The actual recording was done with Steve Allen in Leeds in the freezing cold winter of 85-86. He had originally had a tiny studio in a rehearsal complex off Armley Road where I’d been with Wayne to record some new demos with him singing. We attempted the track which became Cruel Light but never finished it.
Posted: 25 Sep 2004, 00:14
Or had lost interest in both before the latter even reared its ugly head.jost 7 wrote:but i really think that some sisters fans do have an obsessive hostility against the m*****n - which is nothing but stupid.
Posted: 25 Sep 2004, 00:23
Takes guts or gut reaction to turn down a gig at RAH, and sorry, Hussey played up a storm that night.
Waynes solo on 'Heavens Door' is still up there
Waynes solo on 'Heavens Door' is still up there
Posted: 25 Sep 2004, 00:44
Where? There on the stair?James Blast wrote:Waynes solo on 'Heavens Door' is still up there
Posted: 25 Sep 2004, 01:04
on the 3rd floor landing, along with 'Comfortably Numb' Dave Gilmour, 'Silver Machine' Dave Brock, 'The Cinema Show' Steve Hacket... must I go on?
Posted: 26 Sep 2004, 09:33
I always thought Guns n Roses ripped off Hussey's take on Knocking On Heavens Door a storm....
Just for the record, I like The m*****n, The Sisters and Ghost Dance. I also like beer, a fine French Burgundy and gin n tonic, and have no problem finding the right drink for the right occassion
Just for the record, I like The m*****n, The Sisters and Ghost Dance. I also like beer, a fine French Burgundy and gin n tonic, and have no problem finding the right drink for the right occassion
Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 00:55
Which band corresponds to which drink? I think you've got it in the right order at the moment, myself - Wayne & co. - beer (mead?), Von Experience - a fine Burgundy indeed, Ghost Dance - bit more of a lady's drink- G&T.nodubmanshouts wrote:
Just for the record, I like The m*****n, The Sisters and Ghost Dance. I also like beer, a fine French Burgundy and gin n tonic, and have no problem finding the right drink for the right occassion