Heartland

you do far too much thinking aaron_q

aaron_quinton wrote:and i think "i was wrong" has been improoved 100 times over as an acoustic song played live on the smoke and mirrors tour

With this one I couldn't agree more.

Let's see.. something about Wide Receiver, something about Floodland, something about I Was Wrong.. okay..

Wide Receiver- I like it, sadly enough, but the instrumental parts are too long. Mind, a cleaned up version wouldn't be too bad.

Floodland- Due to lack of money, and lack of decent record stores, I've as yet been unable to buy Floodland (heard all the tracks except Torch and Driven Like The Snow, however).

I Was Wrong- First Sisters song I ever heard. I think "In a bar that's always closing" is a good line for it, because I always had a mental image of it being played in a bar near closing time, when everything's slowly calming down. Probably just my addled brain, but still.

Here's whats written in the Violent Sound lyric book.
I don't think it match the real lyric either.. haha
but anyway..

"And you say: Where is high believer
Waiting for the siren straight of the ground
Where the stamps in the air and the sky for a while
And threaten and tored, that could be who never caming
You say: Never madder than morning sound
The heat is over in the hour of time and
Where's the wide receiver
Over the line"
...... etc etc

probably better than the real ones

having just read this thread and the others on the same subject i have to say this:

firstly this is an excellent song- probably my favourite of the unreleased discarded tracks (i'm not including good things amongst those as they played it and recorded it for sessions and demos more than a couple of times.) the guitar line is hauntingly beautiful and not at all an horrendous "dirge" mr fiend -shame on you!

secondly there seemed a lot of people thought this was definitely not von singing. i hope the amount of humble pie they had to eat still gave them time to clean their ears out. it is so obviously eldritch,and deriding those that thought giving ground was von is unfair as mr ray's vocals on that particular track on first hearing (at the time) were quite believeably von's.

thirdly anyone who entertained the idea of it not being the sisters at all should take a long listen to their imitators. the neph are almost a pastiche - unintentional sound-a-likes redlorry yellowlorry and joy division are more like the sisters than FOTN- and even the mighty smurphs can't reproduce the sisters sound 100% (99.9% is good enough ).

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I call dirge and I stick with that opinion

By the way Lee, did you really mean to say that Joy Division are "unintentional sound-a-likes" of The Sisters or is that phrase just intended to apply to the Lorries?

markfiend wrote:I call dirge and I stick with that opinion

By the way Lee, did you really mean to say that Joy Division are "unintentional sound-a-likes" of The Sisters or is that phrase just intended to apply to the Lorries?

as joy division were around before the sisters if there was any intended similarity it would have been on the sisters part, not joy division's. or do you not think they sound similar?.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:

markfiend wrote:I call dirge and I stick with that opinion

By the way Lee, did you really mean to say that Joy Division are "unintentional sound-a-likes" of The Sisters or is that phrase just intended to apply to the Lorries?

as joy division were around before the sisters if there was any intended similarity it would have been on the sisters part, not joy division's. or do you not think they sound similar?.

Can't hear any similarity myself but I remember a review of (I think) Alice & the reviewer likened them to a third rate JD. Harsh.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:as joy division were around before the sisters if there was any intended similarity it would have been on the sisters part, not joy division's. or do you not think they sound similar?.

Ah right get you.

As it happens, I do think there's a certain 'Ooky-ness to some of Craig's bass lines, but that's in no way intended as an insult.

markfiend wrote: As it happens, I do think there's a certain 'Ooky-ness to some of Craig's bass lines, but that's in no way intended as an insult.

not at all; joy division were excellent.
on top of that, more obviously, (or so it seemed to me) are the machine-sounding drum-tracks: there's not many drummers who will/can resist showing off with their fills and flourishes (plus these are a natural way to avoid cramping and if required pul the beat back into line less noticeably) but joy division's sound utilised the minimalism of a solid repetitive beat a lot.. that real-drummer-machine-sound also applies to the lorries actually - the cure's 17 seconds being another fine example.
still more obvious (again, or so i thought) are the baritone-delivered angst-ridden vocals.i'm not saying that curtis' voice was like von's sonically but styllistically i think they are alike.