RicheyJames wrote:CtrlAltDelete wrote:Unfortunately, you have failed to take into account the nearly 3 million votes that were screwed via the electronic voting system in Florida (and I'm being generous by excluding the absentee ballots). I hate to break it to you, but your data is incomplete.
source?
CNN.com, NYTimes.com, BBC.co.uk . Actually, if you were to do something as simple as type in 2000 election, electronic votes into a search engine, you would be peresented with thousands of sources for that very commonplace knowledge.
If you were half as smart as you seem to think you are you would know about the tactics that are being used to keep people known to vote democrat out of the voting booths (such as men dressed as plain clothes police officers being posted outside of voting areas in poor neighborhoods illegaly asking for identification when statistics show that 40% of people in poor areas lack drivers liscences. Just as one example) .
source?
Cnn.com, NYTimes.com, BBC.co.uk - Here you go (Taken directly from CNN)...
On Wednesday, the eve of the first presidential debate between Sen. John F. Kerry and President George W. Bush at the University of Miami, the NAACP and People for the American Way announced the results of a new study entitled "The Long Shadow of Jim Crow: Voter Intimidation and Suppression in America."
The report alleges that the Republican Party is attempting to systematically suppress the voting rights of African-Americans.
Ralph G. Neas, president of People for the American Way, said, "Although voter intimidation has not historically been confined to a single political party, we are increasingly concerned about recent incidents indicating that Republican officials may be planning to challenge voters this year based on race."
Neas said, "There is more than one way to deprive people of their right to vote, from systematic and technical problems to inadequate voter education to illegal actions by public officials."
According to New York Times columnist Bob Herbert, “the smell of voter suppression coming out of Florida is getting stronger.� Herbert pointed out that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has sent dozens of armed state troopers into the homes of elderly black voters in the city of Orlando in recent months, allegedly pursuing an investigation of voter fraud. The pretext for this obvious attempt at intimidation is an allegation involving absentee ballots that arose during the city’s mayoral election six months ago.
“The officers were armed and in plain clothes,� Herbert reported. “For elderly African-American voters, who remember the terrible torment inflicted on blacks who tried to vote in the South in the 1950s and 60s, the sight of armed police officers coming into their homes to interrogate them about voting is chilling indeed.� As Herbert points out, no charges need ever emerge from this exercise. Many voters have already expressed alarm, as a result of the raids, about using absentee ballots.
Taken from BBC.co.uk...
"Florida requires all voters to produce identification when they vote. Many poorer voters have no driver’s license or other acceptable ID."
Taken from CNN.com...
Another stipulation in the 2002 bill is the requirement that states provide provisional ballots to voters whose names aren’t on the rolls when they arrive to cast their ballots. Voters would then be able to cast a ballot, and officials could determine their eligibility afterward. One problem, however, is that many states refuse to count a ballot if it is cast in the wrong precinct or congressional district, thus effectively disenfranchising a voter because of an official error. In a recent Chicago election, less than 10 percent of 5,914 provisional ballots were counted.
States are also requiring that voters casting provisional ballots fill out complex affidavits. The time-consuming paperwork amounts to a new kind of literacy test that will have the effect of discouraging voters.
In general, the Republicans are spearheading efforts such as these to suppress the votes of poor people and minority workers, in the expectation that most of these would be cast for the Democrats.
I've got a ton more where this came from. Would you like me to continue?
And if your intelligence gathering were even a little up to par you would know that ex-felons are not allowed to vote. Care to hazard a guess as to how many millions are ex-felons?
i'm well aware of the status of ex-felons, hence my jibe at half the "missing" voters being locked-up. i'm happy to admit that i've not researched the exact numbers of ex-felons ineligible to vote but perhaps you have?
You seem to be missing the point. I'm not even talking about people that are currently locked up. I'm talking about free men walking around who happen to be
ex-felons
Taken from BBC.co.uk...
The denial of the right to vote to convicted felons is one of the major techniques of political disenfranchisement. Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors did not mince words when he declared last year, “As frank as I can be, we’re opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don’t tend to vote Republican.�
With the explosive growth of the US prison population in the past 20 years, this is no small question. Forty-eight states deny the right to vote to prison inmates, 33 of these states continue to deny the vote to parolees, and 29 deny it to those on probation. Fourteen states permanently forbid felons from voting, even after they have served their sentences and are no longer on probation or parole. The total of disenfranchised citizens is about 4.7 million. As a result of these provisions, 13 percent of African-American men are denied the right to vote.
The Florida Secretary of State, Glenda Hood, was accused of implementing a plan whose methodology resulted in leaving Hispanic voters, who are more likely to vote Republican, on the rolls, while purging many thousands of black voters.
It was also found that more than 2,100 voters were incorrectly listed on the felon purge list, where Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 3 to 1. Ms. Hood—appointed by Governor Bush to succeed the notorious Katharine Harris, whose rulings contributed to the theft of the 2000 election—claimed ignorance and ditched the felon list. The governor called the list an oversight. The Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights under Law and other groups, however, remained suspicious. “Florida is absolutely committed to blocking voters,� said Barbara Arnwine, the director of the Lawyers Committee.
But your numbers are very pretty.
they also come from quoted sources rather than being bald, unverified claims. .
That's lovely, but you only presented a few bald numbers that only presented one piece of the equation. You do your argument a disservice when you leave out vital information for your convenience. Statistical numbers mean nil when you attempt to camoflauge all the facts surrounding them.
I think I just died.
