Rock Guitarin' and Goth

[Quiff Boy]

All those many forms of dance music.. "house" "club" "acid house" "deep house" "hard house" "trance" "hard trance".. not only can no-one (including the DJs) tell them apart, but they're either a guy speaking fast over a drum machine, or a woman trying to sing.

What the hell is WRONG with these people?

Dark, have you much of an understanding of dance music then? At a basic level none of the genres quoted would include a "guy speaking fast over a drum machine" although admittedly there are wailing women, something which generally puts me right off a tune.

The DJ's can't tell them apart? Where does that come from?

For Christ's sake, there's good dance music, there's some great dance music actually, and there's some bad. There's some good goth music, and there's some s**t. If one realises that about basically all music and then takes the time to listen with an open mind then the chance arises to appreciate a much wider musical world.

To dismiss a whole style of music out of hand is crazy.

i'm with ruffers on this one.

@ dark: check out some late 80s and early 90s detroit techno. minimal, dark and scary. f**ked up pounding drums, deep & extremely warped synth lines. groovy as a bastard and edgy as hell. and not a wailing woman or a rapping man in site.

http://www.intuitivemusic.com/tguidedetroit.html

also check out the 90s ambient/electro stuff like autechre, aphex twin, black dog, richard h kirk's (ex-cabaret voltaire) stuff on warp records. basically anything on warp would do as a start.

ignore what the charts tells you is dance music. most of that is just commercial "handbag" s**t designed for pilled up wankers in £400 shoes and £600 shirts to wave their hands too.

i dont really think you can claim to operate in the genre you do, and use suicide as a reference point in that way, without understanding the subtleties of the "more intelligent" side of the dance genre.

[James Blast]

I typed three posts in here and deleted them, this is the best I could come up with

[Dark]

i dont really think you can claim to operate in the genre you do, and use suicide as a reference point in that way, without understanding the subtleties of the "more intelligent" side of the dance genre.

I've never claimed to only use Suicide as reference to industrial music, I could well include Skinny Puppy or Ministry in it.
Just I don't sound like either of them.

Either way, I'll shut the f**k up.

Comments diplomatically removed

[ruffers]

I typed three posts in here and deleted them, this is the best I could come up with

I thought the sense and reason one made, well sense. Obviously between leaving work and getting home I've missed something here?

Never mind.

[Quiff Boy]

i wasnt trying to "slap anyone down" so i hope no one was offended there

i was just trying to encourage people to open their minds and their ears - and in the case of my commenst to dark i honestly think he would find elements that he'd "get" in the darker (sorry) detriot music. be it atmosphere, synth sounds, drum patterns, whatever. its just very cool music.

underground resistance (or just "UR" as they are usually referred to) tracks always scared the crap out of me. the sound of machines drilling holes into your mind.

everything von seems to want the sisters to be. but without any guitars, or any von.



i love music, whatever genre it comes packaged as. there is good music and there is bad music. every style of music has the same, like punk did, like rock does, even like psychedelia did.

it really dont matter what the label or tag is, its what the song does to your heart, your soul, your head and your feet, that counts. and juan atkins can rock all of them like a bastard, just as UR can scare the f**k out if them.

which has to be a good thing, non?

'KIN 'AVE IT!

[Rosalie]

I tried some Skinny Puppy, it seemed okay but I can't see how it was "goth" at all.

[Quiff Boy]

the singer had black spikey back-combed hair, and their first "hit" was a song called "dig it", and had a video of a man rising from the grave.



more "music that goths like" than "goth".

[Rosalie]

In my day "music that goths like" was stuff like the Smashing Pumpkins, decent quality "Music that goths like" too.

Billy Corgan must be hanging his bald head in disappointment.

[eastmidswhizzkid]

for the last eleven years i've been a part of a techno sound system,doing a lot of clubs but mainly (and our major raison d'etre) free parties,both outdoor and wharehouse/squat.apart from the social aspects(which are similar at most parties of this kind),its the music we play that makes me prefer our "do"s over other peoples.
we play exactly the sort of music Quiffy was talking about earlier (late 80's/early 90's detroit etc) which is far removed from the ibiza-type cack you get in t'charts and townie meat-markets.

and the reasons i like this sort of music are among the things i love about the sisters..."effective repetition" rather than unimaginative monotony as von said once.

[ruffers]

What they said, and me.

The 90's for me were techno times and it sits fine alongside my Sisters sensibilities. EMWK and Quiff Boy have put it more eloquently then me but are coming from the same place.

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[markfiend]

I never really got any dance music in the late 80s / early 90s. Probably because I was too busy being an ornery goth and refusing to get into it.

[Rosalie]

Well, I think we can all agree that old goth stuff is generally the better stuff.

But also not to entirely write off any type of music, so that means some good stuff must be good.

I'm confused.

[Padstar]

Its about songs for me..... and how the guitar line feels when you play it with the rest of the ensemble. I love playing Sisters stuff as i love the songs and the guitar lines, to my ear, groove and sometimes rock nicely.


Paddy.

[culprit]

...what QB said, there is really good music out there and bad, in every genre.
I love some 'classic rock', much 80's breaking/good/spontaneous hard/gothic rock and much industrial/loud/synth stuff, as well as metal.

There is good [and very bad] in EVERY field

Luckily we all love different stuff [otherwise it would be dead boring].

Dark and others may generalise, after all they weren't there when most of what they refer towas made, it's before their time, but I used to do that before I got to know the 70's stuff more...

Take what you enjoy from every genre, that's what I say!

[Chairman Bux]

Music died on 6th May 2003.

Gerry Shephard, guitarist with The Glitter Band.

The best guitarist never to have been on stage with The Sisters.



Rock and roll.