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Dark wrote:I'd love to actually know how in the remotest way Bury Me Deep is a joke.

Well for starters, I think you should know that Bury Me Deep is not about being buried in a 6' deep hole in the ground after 'kicking the bucket' no matter how goth the title may sound. The song is about sex.
You figure it out!

you missed my point....

the original bands werebeing themselves.

the goth tag was then applied to them, in some cases after they had split up.

later bands consciously called themselves goths... they invariably were not making music from their heart or soul, but based on the records they had already heard.

its the difference between a band making a gothic record, and a gothic band making a record.

one is being themselves and making music, the other is making music according to how they want to be seen.

if you see what i mean... (not sure i even do now )

Dark wrote:............. They claim they ARE goth, and they're not doing it as the legendary "JOKE" dictates. ........

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(needs more work to be a rant by the way)

So, let's look at these bands who claim the are goth - what do they mean by that?

Point seen. Don't suppose you could recommend any who are (in your opinion) being themselves? Would be nice to see what people who actually have a clue consider to be goth these days

ruffers wrote: But they wouldn't be Goth.... or at least they wouldn't get filed under it because of the points Quiff Boy makes. Maybe they already exist, and we're looking in the wrong place.

Probably bad form to quote myself, but that's what I was getting at here. Maybe the goth attitude, whatver it may be, now exists more in say .... techno? (surprise surprise )

Motz wrote:Point seen. Don't suppose you could recommend any who are (in your opinion) being themselves? Would be nice to see what people who actually have a clue consider to be goth these days

girls aloud

ahem. sorry.

i'll get back to you on that... to be honest i havent really been paying much attention to the newer stuff as its a little too derivative for my liking.

which i guess kinda backs up the initial post

whoever it was that suggested that any new band doing their own thing would probably not be called "goth" was possibly right. they would probably be shoved into some other box... maybe you have to look outside the "goth" tag these days in order to find bands "doing their own thing"?

i guess its a question of do you want a band with a "goth aesthetic" or a band with a post-punk attitude, which is where most of the original goth bands came from...?

^ and there you go. ruffers it was

Quiff Boy wrote:

ruffers wrote:This is less a malaise in music but more reflects society's wish to put lazy, handy, easy to use labels on everything which in the long run will stymie innovation as, even though there may be a brave few creating new stuff, nobody will isten outside their box because they don't like things with different labels. And round it goes.

I know what I mean.

definitely.

and when a band starts defining itself by those boxes and labels, then you get derivation and stagnation...

As Groucho Marx said -
"I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER. "

absolutely

Which possibly implies is the new Marx

Zuma wrote:Which possibly implies is the new Marx

Karl,Groucho or Garry tho'?

harpo

, glad that was left ambiguous.....

Quiff Boy wrote:harpo

Not with that hair DOO!!

Not with hair.

Some other Marx quotes here for amusement -
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Groucho_Marx/

scotty wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:harpo

Not with that hair DOO!!

more of a hair don't methinks.

We don't need new "goth" bands. Just good bands. They can label or deny themselves til the cows come home; I'll decide if I like them. Or not.

Although decent haircuts and black clothing always helps But only if there's owt worth polishing in the first place.

Mrs. Snowey wrote:We don't need new "goth" bands. Just good bands. They can label or deny themselves til the cows come home; I'll decide if I like them. Or not.

Although decent haircuts and black clothing always helps But only if there's owt worth polishing in the first place.

I like your thinking!

Taps foot.

COME ON. I haven't got forever to wait until somebody who's best mate is in a s**t goth band to have a pop at us...

He he he.

How about someone who's in a sh*t goth band?

I could form one for the occassion if it'll make you happy. The pop, however, will cost extra

filthyrikky wrote:Taps foot.

COME ON. I haven't got forever to wait until somebody who's best mate is in a s**t goth band to have a pop at us...

He he he.

Quiff Boy wrote:

filthyrikky wrote:Taps foot.

COME ON. I haven't got forever to wait until somebody who's best mate is in a s**t goth band to have a pop at us...

He he he.

What, like ? He's Tim's best mate isn't he? Bought him a pint dont you know

Mrs. Snowey wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:

filthyrikky wrote:Taps foot.

COME ON. I haven't got forever to wait until somebody who's best mate is in a s**t goth band to have a pop at us...

He he he.

What, like ? He's Tim's best mate isn't he? Bought him a pint dont you know

Tim's in a s**t goth band?

Quiff Boy wrote:

filthyrikky wrote:Taps foot.

COME ON. I haven't got forever to wait until somebody who's best mate is in a s**t goth band to have a pop at us...

He he he.

There's only one thing worse than being talked about...