Heartland

... of course , and struggling against a certain image, for example ...

Debi wrote:

apart from the obvious sex and music business

i'll lend a hand von

do you think i maybe should have kept that to myself

Debi wrote:

Debi wrote:

apart from the obvious sex and music business

i'll lend a hand von

thank you for doing that while I can't be there ... hope you do it properly, though ... otherwise I'll ...

do you think i maybe should have kept that to myself

Honey ... ... we love him all ...

Being645 wrote:

Debi wrote:

Debi wrote:

apart from the obvious sex and music business

i'll lend a hand von

thank you for doing that while I can't be there ... hope you do it properly, though ... otherwise I'll ...

do you think i maybe should have kept that to myself

Honey ... ... we love him all ...

i can't promise on the musical front and i'll keep any other talents to myself

i think thats best dont you

well, 't seems it's not quite at our choice ...

Being645 wrote: well, 't seems it's not quite at our choice ...

well i best not get banned for naughty thoughts

Debi wrote:

Being645 wrote: well, 't seems it's not quite at our choice ...

well i best not get banned for naughty thoughts

if you can manage ...

Being645 wrote:

Debi wrote:

Being645 wrote: well, 't seems it's not quite at our choice ...

well i best not get banned for naughty thoughts

if you can manage ...

well they'll have to stay as thoughts then

well they'll have to stay as thoughts then

I'll forgive you if you should fail ...

Being645 wrote:

well they'll have to stay as thoughts then

I'll forgive you if you should fail ...

Keep your pants on girls.

Nic wrote:Keep your pants on girls.

thats what i am trying to do

and it's "thong" to you honey

Debi wrote: and it's "thong" to you honey

Nic wrote:
Keep your pants on girls. Wink

thats what i am trying to do Wink

and it's "thong" to you honey Laughing

Bravo, Braveheart I'm at your side ...

Debi wrote:do you think i maybe should have kept that to myself

In a word: yep.

Goes under this header well enough.

"[A Slight Case of Overbombing] was supposed to allow the media to reassess an important aspect of the band (sigh), which would be very welcome if the next LP is going to be worth the trouble of putting out. Apart from all that, I've started to pay off a HUGE debt so that the band could actually survive to make the next record at all. That has not been easy, to put it mildly. The legal rubbish also requires time and a couple of quid."

- UTR #11, October '94


Anyone have a particular idea as to what debt Von's referring to?

copper wrote:Goes under this header well enough.

"[A Slight Case of Overbombing] was supposed to allow the media to reassess an important aspect of the band (sigh), which would be very welcome if the next LP is going to be worth the trouble of putting out. Apart from all that, I've started to pay off a HUGE debt so that the band could actually survive to make the next record at all. That has not been easy, to put it mildly. The legal rubbish also requires time and a couple of quid."

- UTR #11, October '94


Anyone have a particular idea as to what debt Von's referring to?

Vision Thing and getting out of the WEA contract. There's an interview somewhere that says Floodland re-couped it's costs in the early 90's and FALAA the year after it. Vision Thing took that bit longer, indeed if at all

The '91 tour with Public Enemy lost money,as well as legal fees incurred from the Patricia Morrison lawsuit

The production costs of Floodland and Vision Thing certainly sound plausible, even thought it's somewhat amusing it practically took years for them to catch up with Von. As long as he was still pressing on, the record company let it lay. The minute he stopped...


Anyway, here's something else quite by fault.

"I found out that The Sisters have been dropped by Elektra, but as they're under an exclusive worldwide contract to Warners, they can't sign to anyone else yet. Catch 22." - 06/03/97

This was some months before the SSV release, tho. The trick is, Elektra was their label, while Warner EastWest was the distributor. Elektra has been recently revived, btw. I chuckle at the notion that their official website refuses to acknowledge the existence of the Sisters.


"How desperate must the corporation be? Desperate enough to try and force an artist to record with threats of massive litigation after a seven-year impasse" - SSV

Which sort of suggests Von was more or less threatened with a subpoena to deliver an album in 1997.

Which he did, and that probably got him out of the recording agreement with Elektra, which would've otherwise covered two more Sisters album post-VT.


And now I'm purely guessing....

The band no longer has a record company, but they still have a worldwide exclusive distributor, nowadays known as Warner Music Group.

Which means no independent singles, despite the enthusiasm being there. Adam bites the bullet as the Warner issue is being looked into behind close doors.

Years pass and Adam "refuses to release anything". He is dismissed.


Next.

copper wrote:...The trick is, Elektra was their label, while Warner EastWest was the distributor. Elektra has been recently revived, btw. I chuckle at the notion that their official website refuses to acknowledge the existence of the Sisters.

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The band no longer has a record company, but they still have a worldwide exclusive distributor, nowadays known as Warner Music Group.

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If that would be the only reason, a simple change of the name and a few bandmembers would be enough to "bang" out a few material. Everybody would know: Its: The Sisters Of Mercy. Even if the name would be Sisters Sisters

... or The Captains of ...

17.auflage wrote:If that would be the only reason, a simple change of the name and a few bandmembers would be enough to "bang" out a few material. Everybody would know: Its: The Sisters Of Mercy. Even if the name would be Sisters Sisters

Ah, not quite. If the band is still contracted to Warners (and we've already discussed that a few pages back) then it'll be an exclusive contract not just for the band as a unit but for the individual members. That's why you see "Andrew Eldritch appears courtesy of Warners East West" or whatever when someone makes a guest appearance on someone else's album. And is why Andrew doesn't appear on Gift.

stufarq wrote:

17.auflage wrote:If that would be the only reason, a simple change of the name and a few bandmembers would be enough to "bang" out a few material. Everybody would know: Its: The Sisters Of Mercy. Even if the name would be Sisters Sisters

Ah, not quite. If the band is still contracted to Warners (and we've already discussed that a few pages back) then it'll be an exclusive contract not just for the band as a unit but for the individual members. That's why you see "Andrew Eldritch appears courtesy of Warners East West" or whatever when someone makes a guest appearance on someone else's album. And is why Andrew doesn't appear on Gift.

Yet, then again, he could just record a couple albums under an alias, with a different band name, all the musicians could also use an alias, it could be co-produced by a close friend and released on an obscure indie label or two and distributed by the likes of D-monic or SPV.

But that's not possible right? Even though the two albums mentioned in the Virgin.net interview that he would not "confirm or deny" have yet to turn up, right? Because if they did ever come to light Warner might automatically (or through litigation) own them as well, retroactively?

Yet on the other thread, according to that new Classic Rock interview, they have no more ties or obligations to Warner Music Ltd.

I guess we have kicked this dead horse so many times that the horse isn't even recognizable any longer.

Ummm, much as the theory is attractive, much as it makes it's own kinda sense, and much as one may wish for a logical explanation for the lack of a release, I have a hard time accepting that Warners would want to touch Von with a 10-foot pole these days.