Heartland

robertzombie wrote:Hey! don't twist my post!

I can't....it's too goff...

Badlander wrote:

eotunun wrote: By the way, can any body remember how the S/M-crap got entangled with the gothic scene? I remember a report from a Cure concert in the late 80ies/early 90ies, when a lot of the audiences got rather upset with a domina show delivered in front of the stage, but sooner or later they seem to have bought the crap.. !

It doesn't sound like them at all.
I'd say Rozz Williams and Gitane Demone are more than a little responsible for that sad evolution.

Yep, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would be officially sanctioned at a Cure gig.

robertzombie wrote:

Gimme_The_Ring wrote:I'm not goth as I've got ginger hair. Can you imagine a ginger goth?!

here's a picture of me

but I'm not a g0ff

I was a Ginger Goth, no piccies you'll be glad to hear.

How goth can you get when 'Ginger Kids have No Soul'?

I'm an old fart now that could not fit into a pair of black drainpipes and winklepickers-I'd also look Bl00dy Stupid

the less soul the better

I am definately a goth. Don't look like one, but there again i don't look like a psycho mad-f**ker from hell. This is just my opinion, if that's ok.

JAMES RAY wrote:there again i don't look like a psycho mad-f**ker from hell.

Oooh, don't know about that, Mr. Ray...

boudicca wrote:

JAMES RAY wrote:there again i don't look like a psycho mad-f**ker from hell.

Oooh, don't know about that, Mr. Ray...

Now Claire, your perception, having read a few of your posts, of what and what is, draws me to believe your vision of things may not be as others see. So as much as I know what I look look like, I would rather you kept your view to yourself otherwise you may find your love for me contested by many others, as we know how much a good woman needs a bad man.

p.s. love the snap of your mam.

JAMES RAY wrote:I am definately a goth.

Therefore proving wrong anyone who denies that goths make the best music.

JAMES RAY wrote:Now Claire, your perception, having read a few of your posts, of what and what is, draws me to believe your vision of things may not be as others see.

Your powers of deduction are impressive. My vision of things comes slamming through.

JAMES RAY wrote:p.s. love the snap of your mam.

I'd let her know she had an admirer, James, but I'm afraid she doesn't know who you are. I don't know, maybe she'd recognise the bleepy bit at the beginning of Giving Ground but apart from that...
Manfred Mann are more her cup of tea, as far as I'm aware.

Not at all goffick.

Manfred being my nick name at school, (which might discard the myth that my surname in smith), I love her more.

Slamming through what?

JAMES RAY wrote:Manfred being my nick name at school

Dare I ask...?

JAMES RAY wrote:Slamming through what?

That's a very good question. I don't believe the combined forces of HL's own lyrics forum and this website have ever managed to come up with the answer.

boudicca wrote:

JAMES RAY wrote:Manfred being my nick name at school

Dare I ask...?

JAMES RAY wrote:Slamming through what?

That's a very good question. I don't believe the combined forces of HL's own lyrics forum and this website have ever managed to come up with the answer.

You dare. Please

As for that which you have to refer to fo, I care not. Slam away, whatever!

wild bill buttock wrote:...bring back biker leather jackets and doc martens,I say!

Bring *back*? Where'd they go? I wear 'em alla time, myself... \m/

wild bill buttock wrote:But also WTF is all this pirate/military s**t...

Erm...have you forgotten Adam Ant?

I've always viewed myself as a cyberpunk and The Sisters as, probably, the first cyberpunk band (in the same way that Billy Idol most certainly wasn't). There's a certain element of dystopia and nihilism prevalent throughout the lyrics from The Reptile House onwards. Particularly with the choice of metaphor and imagery.

i used to consider myself a goth, even dyed my hair at one point and spent pretty much every weekend at the local goth club. then it gaot all silly with dress codes and stuff and i found myself ostracized due to my love of blue denim flares.

SINsister wrote:

wild bill buttock wrote:...bring back biker leather jackets and doc martens,I say!

Bring *back*? Where'd they go? I wear 'em alla time, myself... \m/

Then you under the current labelling legislation are "a retro punk/goth",which is good but finding Psychobillies to join you in ritual dancefloor dandygoth beatings could be a tad tricky.Where have all the psychobillies gone?

SINsister wrote:

wild bill buttock wrote:But also WTF is all this pirate/military s**t...

Erm...have you forgotten Adam Ant?

Oh yeah,I forgot how Adam invented goth with his seminal nihilistic anthem;"Puss in boots"

Syberberg wrote:I've always viewed myself as a cyberpunk and The Sisters as, probably, the first cyberpunk band (in the same way that Billy Idol most certainly wasn't).

Cyberpunk is sooooo cool. I mean, the literature, the RPG, the movies, the music, the attitude...

What's a cyber punk then?
Usually anything cyber is bad news;Cybermen,for instance,used to scare the s**t out of me on Dr Who,much scarier than the darleks,I always thought.Like wise Billy Idol,Gen X *spit* were the Bay city Rollers of punk.And don't get me started on Cybergoths.

Well first, cyberpunk has never been and hopefully never will be a "scene", so you can't compare it to goth, for instance. What's more, the term was invented by science-fiction authors, not journalists, and that also makes a huge difference IMO.
What's cyberpunk ? A very twisted and very cruel vision of the future, basically.
It includes drugs, corporations, violence, corruption, music, technology, body modifications, cyberspace, pollution, style, medias...
And very little hope.

Badlander wrote:It includes drugs, corporations, violence, corruption, music, technology, body modifications, cyberspace, pollution, style, medias...
And very little hope.

Sounds like modern-day Britain to me.

Badlander wrote:Well first, cyberpunk has never been and hopefully never will be a "scene", so you can't compare it to goth, for instance. What's more, the term was invented by science-fiction authors, not journalists, and that also makes a huge difference IMO.
What's cyberpunk ? A very twisted and very cruel vision of the future, basically.
It includes drugs, corporations, violence, corruption, music, technology, body modifications, cyberspace, pollution, style, medias...
And very little hope.

Well said.

To add a little further from my POV on cyberpunk. It's more a "state of mind", the expression of individuality and a reaction to the excesses of the corporate world. Outside the corporate enclaves, which retain some sembalance of "normality" and safety, most of the social order has broken down, democratic government is no longer represtentative of anything, even itself.

To a certain extent it's a "survival of the fittest" kind of environment, but that's just what appears on the surface. There is a social order of somekind, but it's far more tribal, less structured and anarchistic. There is a form of order within the chaos.

Yes, there is very little hope, but the heros (mainly anti-heros) who are part human and part machine, show more humanity than the unchanged humans who run the morally corrupt corporations/governments. In an immoral world, the amorality of the anti-hero is the only morality there is.

Look for books by William Gibson, Rudy Rucker, Philip K. Dick and Neil Giamon, to name a few. To a certain extent, some of the manga films are cyberpunk, otherwise films like Bladerunner, Brazil, Hardware/Mark 13, Rollerball, Mad Max and Deathrace 2000. Some, like the Mad Max films have a post-apocalyptic or post-industrial backdrop.

And don't get me started on Cybergoths.

Go on, wild bill, ya know ya wanna

As for the cybergoths and rivitheads...another group of fashion victims to fleece. Style over substance.

Dark wrote:

Badlander wrote:It includes drugs, corporations, violence, corruption, music, technology, body modifications, cyberspace, pollution, style, medias...
And very little hope.

Sounds like modern-day Britain to me.

That's exactly the point. Cyberpunk is in its very essence a political genre, a depiction of grim days to come. Cyberpunk authors are visionaries (or at least very clever social critics).
Don't forget that most cyberpunk literature was written in the 80s.

Syberberg wrote:Look for books by William Gibson, Rudy Rucker, Philip K. Dick and Neil Giamon, to name a few. To a certain extent, some of the manga films are cyberpunk, otherwise films like Bladerunner, Brazil, Hardware/Mark 13, Rollerball, Mad Max and Deathrace 2000. Some, like the Mad Max films have a post-apocalyptic or post-industrial backdrop.

Don't forget Tron ! I know it's Walt Disney, it's for the kids, blah blah blah... It's cyberpunk nonetheless.
And also Robocop.