Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:52
Vatican approved means there will only be wine? 
and nitrogen, of courseeotunun wrote:Vatican approved means there will only be wine?
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Pope Benedict XVI sticks his foot in his mouth
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Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:55
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:58
Fine by meeotunun wrote:Vatican approved means there will only be wine?
, may I suggest the Wolf Blass, MacGuigans or a Lindamans 
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 17:59
Is ransom included in the delivery?James Blast wrote:and nitrogen, of courseeotunun wrote:Vatican approved means there will only be wine?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 18:05
funny you should mention McGuigans scotty a friend just gave me a bottle of the gold label, I'll report back at the weekend
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 18:08
I'll be back from London on Sunday, I'll expect an indepth reportJames Blast wrote:funny you should mention McGuigans scotty a friend just gave me a bottle of the gold label, I'll report back at the weekend
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 20:33
Give me a 10 gallon vat, please.
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 21:01
Wanna see angels, eh?boudicca wrote:Give me a 10 gallon vat, please.
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 21:41
In the "I've lost the will to live" sense, yes...eotunun wrote:Wanna see angels, eh?boudicca wrote:Give me a 10 gallon vat, please.
Posted: 19 Sep 2006, 22:09
Fingers wound from writing a book on Heartland, hm?
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Re: Pope Benedict XVI sticks his foot in his mouth
Posted: 20 Sep 2006, 03:39
On the whole issue of his comments on Islam, I came across this. It's a much better translation that you'll find in the media. If anyone is interested in the question of the relation between reason and revelation, I'd recommend looking for the whole speech. This excerpt places the 'offending' passage in context:
In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις – controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with an astonishing brusqueness, for us an astounding brusqueness, bluntly on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so very forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood -- and not acting reasonably ("συν λόγω") is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".
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In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις – controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with an astonishing brusqueness, for us an astounding brusqueness, bluntly on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so very forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood -- and not acting reasonably ("συν λόγω") is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".
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Posted: 20 Sep 2006, 13:48
Actually a harmless quote, I would think.
Unless you want to be offended, that is..
I still won´t go shopping in gods´ own bookstore.
Unless you want to be offended, that is..
I still won´t go shopping in gods´ own bookstore.
Posted: 29 Sep 2006, 16:33
Posted: 29 Sep 2006, 17:37
we;ve already had that
