Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 17:20
Shane MacGowan is emo?markfiend wrote:Emo = "poor me poor me poor me".
Pour me another
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Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 17:26
boudicca wrote:Shane MacGowan is emo?markfiend wrote:Emo = "poor me poor me poor me".
Pour me another
Obviously!Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 18:12
Those emos that are over the age of... 18, they're hilarious!
we proudly made one CRY
we proudly made one CRY
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 18:18
The first time I heard about "emo", I understood "haemo", as in "haemoglobin" (they sound exactly the same in French). 
It probably would have been much more fun, haemo-core, haemo-metal...
It probably would have been much more fun, haemo-core, haemo-metal...
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 18:50
I can't understand how in these bands some of the people are 30 ish and they write songs that 15 year olds can relate to. Surely the 30 ish year old band members need to grow up and get some adult problems!
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 18:57
Point me on the path to truth...and I do not want to be the bad man here, but you really aren't even close
I'd say I was pretty close, hardcore subgenre, imploded in on itself and became what some bands think goth is today, the backdrop to a slightly pathetic fashion show.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:08
no time to cry, little emos!
they'd better listen to The Sisters (Of Mercy)
they'd better listen to The Sisters (Of Mercy)
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:12
When did UK DECAY, Bauhaus, Siouxsie Banshees, Joy Division (the bands that kicked off the Goth sound & image IMO) become "Hardcore"?Maisey wrote:Point me on the path to truth...and I do not want to be the bad man here, but you really aren't even close
I'd say I was pretty close, hardcore subgenre, imploded in on itself and became what some bands think goth is today, the backdrop to a slightly pathetic fashion show.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:19
Thanking yew.scotty wrote:When did UK DECAY, Bauhaus, Siouxsie Banshees, Joy Division (the bands that kicked off the Goth sound & image IMO) become "Hardcore"?
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:19
um....dude, emo never even came close to that lot.
There was more to post punk than just the goths, even though we are by far the best looking.
I like to think of punk as a paint grenade, each genre a different colour. JD, Siouxsie etc kicked off goth. The Human League, Ultravox etc kicked off synth pop and new pop. Throbbing Gristle, Caberet Voltaire kicked off Industrial...
Hardcore was just one thing that came out of punk, thats where emo came from.
Goth and Emo never touched, they just get confused because emos nicked some asthetics from younger goths. (Black hair, andrgonous tendancies etc)
There was more to post punk than just the goths, even though we are by far the best looking.
I like to think of punk as a paint grenade, each genre a different colour. JD, Siouxsie etc kicked off goth. The Human League, Ultravox etc kicked off synth pop and new pop. Throbbing Gristle, Caberet Voltaire kicked off Industrial...
Hardcore was just one thing that came out of punk, thats where emo came from.
Goth and Emo never touched, they just get confused because emos nicked some asthetics from younger goths. (Black hair, andrgonous tendancies etc)
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:36
So, I think its fair to say Emo came from hardcore which came from punk. Goth came from Dark Post-Punk bands, which came from punk.
Different, linked, but I wouldn't wish to be seen associating the 2.
Origonal desciption of Emo still stands.
Different, linked, but I wouldn't wish to be seen associating the 2.
Origonal desciption of Emo still stands.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:40
Now I'm confused... 
Are Cannibal Corpse Emo or Goth, then
IZ.
Are Cannibal Corpse Emo or Goth, then
IZ.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:46
Maisey wrote:Hardcore was just one thing that came out of punk, thats where emo came from.
This man might disagree.
Anyway, these things are generally genre-ized at least partially in retrospect. At the time they're actually happening, those involved or around them have better things to be thinking about, and are likely never even conscious of forming or belonging to any particular genre. To them it's just "good rock music" or "groovy pop music" or whatever.
Take Baggy as an example. By the time it came to be called "Baggy" and was fully analysed and pigeon-holed by the media, the Roses had come and gone (to make the 2nd LP), the Mondays had come and gone (to do whatever it was they did in their spare time - I don't think I really want to know), the Charlatans had risen, and the third wave of bands (the "we always had a dance element in our music" crew) had arrived.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:55
In Maisey's defence
I think his description of emo's origins was pretty good. He's not saying there was any meeting of hardcore and goth, apart from way back in the mists of early punk. In much the same way as a million genres which are now opposed in many aspects can all trace their roots back to the American South some time in the 1930's!
And while early hardcore may have been... well, hardcore - there is no limit to the packaging, watering down and warping of any original message that popular culture is capable of. We should all know that by now!
I think his description of emo's origins was pretty good. He's not saying there was any meeting of hardcore and goth, apart from way back in the mists of early punk. In much the same way as a million genres which are now opposed in many aspects can all trace their roots back to the American South some time in the 1930's!
And while early hardcore may have been... well, hardcore - there is no limit to the packaging, watering down and warping of any original message that popular culture is capable of. We should all know that by now!
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 19:58
I'm sure this man would disagree.boudicca wrote:there is no limit to the packaging, watering down and warping of any original message that popular culture is capable of. We should all know that by now!
But you'd be right and he'd be wrong...
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 20:09
Awww c'mon MH!
Rollins is SOOOOOO Emo!
I saw his '25 years of s**t' spoken word show here in Belgium and he is the most sensitive bloke I ever saw.
Of course I did not tell him that. I love a choice of foods I DON'T have to eat through a straw...
IZ.
Rollins is SOOOOOO Emo!
I saw his '25 years of s**t' spoken word show here in Belgium and he is the most sensitive bloke I ever saw.
Of course I did not tell him that. I love a choice of foods I DON'T have to eat through a straw...
IZ.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 20:16
mh wrote:I'm sure this man would disagree.boudicca wrote:there is no limit to the packaging, watering down and warping of any original message that popular culture is capable of. We should all know that by now!
"Here pictured showing off his new deodorant - drier even than Von's sense of humour..."
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 20:20
Is that bloke wearing lipstick?mh wrote:I'm sure this man would disagree.boudicca wrote:there is no limit to the packaging, watering down and warping of any original message that popular culture is capable of. We should all know that by now!
But you'd be right and he'd be wrong...
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 20:20
And just out of picture to the left...boudicca wrote:"Here pictured showing off his new deodorant - drier even than Von's sense of humour..."
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 20:21
Hmm, 'oooh, I hope I get this washing up done yeah baby, before the match starts woah yeah yeah'.Brideoffrankenstein wrote:I can't understand how in these bands some of the people are 30 ish and they write songs that 15 year olds can relate to. Surely the 30 ish year old band members need to grow up and get some adult problems!
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 21:01
Planet Dave wrote:Hmm, 'oooh, I hope I get this washing up done yeah baby, before the match starts woah yeah yeah'.Brideoffrankenstein wrote:I can't understand how in these bands some of the people are 30 ish and they write songs that 15 year olds can relate to. Surely the 30 ish year old band members need to grow up and get some adult problems!
Posted: 24 Jan 2007, 10:28
Dave! You fookin' Emo!Planet Dave wrote:Hmm, 'oooh, I hope I get this washing up done yeah baby, before the match starts woah yeah yeah'.
Posted: 24 Jan 2007, 12:05
It's the face-obscuring hair that gives him away, isn't it?markfiend wrote:Dave! You fookin' Emo!Planet Dave wrote:Hmm, 'oooh, I hope I get this washing up done yeah baby, before the match starts woah yeah yeah'.
Head like a vole!
Posted: 24 Jan 2007, 12:42
Do you mind!?boudicca wrote:It's the face-obscuring hair that gives him away, isn't it?markfiend wrote:Dave! You fookin' Emo!Planet Dave wrote:Hmm, 'oooh, I hope I get this washing up done yeah baby, before the match starts woah yeah yeah'.
Head like a vole!
Actually I don't, voles kick ass!
Posted: 24 Jan 2007, 12:57
do you mindboudicca wrote: It's the face-obscuring hair that gives him away, isn't it?
(shakes hair to access eye and wipe tear away)
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after reading all this i think i might be in the wrong forum
