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itnAklipse wrote: Mind you, i've never had a girl come hitting on me.

ah, therin lies your hate-fuelled bigotery. Thought so.

to hate all gays because 1 or 2 tried to get in your pants is as if I would hate all men because some chav roadside contruction workers are shouting indecencies at me.

canon docre wrote:

itnAklipse wrote: Mind you, i've never had a girl come hitting on me.

ah, therin lies your hate-fuelled bigotery. Thought so.

to hate all gays because 1 or 2 tried to get in your pants is as if I would hate all men because some chav roadside contruction workers are shouting indecencies at me.

True, I would not have many people left to like if I thought like that...

On the other hand, there are some points that itnAklipse made, that make me think very carefully about things...

It is all in the perspective of course. Equal rights is ok and necessary, but a lot of 'unequal' people (for lack of better term) try to get the last out of it, which is also NOT the right thing to do. Moderation and understanding is the key. "Pushing the point home" is aggressive and aggressiveness just leads to more aggressiveness...

Going to a job interview, telling the interviewer that you are homosexual and proud of it, is not a good startoff. It has nothing to do with the job in question. The same as foreign people start yelling and screaming "RACISM!" when an interviewer says 'sorry you are not the man for the job'... Bluntly stating "you are a Johnny Foreigner and you will not get the job" is racist and is also not a good thing to say, of course.

Tolerance works both ways. If a man starts hitting on me in a bar, I'd kindly tell him I'm as straight as a razor. If he keeps on trying, he'll get my fist in his mouth regardless of his being gay, black, jewish or whatever.

If people started to be more tolerant towards each others, the 'oppressors' as wel as the 'victims', this world would be such a nice place...*sigh*

IZ.

Izzy HaveMercy wrote: If people started to be more tolerant towards each others, the 'oppressors' as wel as the 'victims', this world would be such a nice place...*sigh*

IZ.

That´s Flower Power!

There's something in the South Park episode The Death Camp Of Tolerance where someone (I think it might be Randy Marsh) says something along the lines of "Tolerance means you have to tolerate something. It doesn't mean you have to like it. You just put up with it."

I'm with Daley Thompson on this saying that in England gay meant happy!

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/olympics200 ... 41,00.html

nick the stripper wrote: To move on to the point about the word natural. Nature as defined by dictionary.com: "1. existing in or formed by nature (opposed to artificial): a natural bridge. 2. based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process."

In my opinion, there isn't a thing that isn't natural. I'm sure you're aware of Locke and Hobbes who spoke about what we must have been like in nature. But in my opinion, we're in nature now. The city is our natural habitat just as the damn is the Beaver's. Even technology is natural. There's monkeys in the jungles who have built and used weapons based on instinct. Out technology is just a more advanced form of that. But to use "natural" to justify something is a mistake. Just because something is that way, doesn't mean it should be that way.

I think a better word would be "normal" as in what is generally done, but even that has the same problems for justifying something because it is an appeal to the ad-populum fallacy.

nick I want to give you my take on what you are led to believe. This is my take. Anything natural or by nature has a twist or a curve or a hollow or just is not, in plain language straight! Anything straight, we as those above the chain, are always drawn to the world of making things totally straight as in the mathematical reference to 180 degrees. You know the water-pass *I think that's the right term* totally evened out like with the laying of a brick wall. This is just a human thing. I would think us to believe as anything that has been made by the human hands has taught us total 90 degree or 180 degree and if you wish 360 degree circumferences although anything straight is man-made. So in our world where we live as natural beings in our natural world, anything of a natural substance will never be straight as there are always curves, the highs & lows and of course those twists and twirls that this life time is made up of, but then again that is the natural process of just being, even if you are straight!

On topic to where I think this has lead to without clicking the clicky, the words we express to the degree when it hurts. We can call on all the laws in all the countries today and bring human rights into question, as well then as relgious rights and then the whole of the USA will be able to say fuckoff without those godforsaken stars in our posting writing, all I have to add is besides those laws and what we are allowed to say within legal and blah, blah, blah fuckingrules! You are always allowed to think as you like and only when you die, maybe, is that taken away. In my mind I have committed more than a thousand deaths and have killed the world for being so goddamn ignorant, although by being has left a person who has to watch her tongue as this is what vengence is about and we can hurt and destroy within the words we use to abuse, discriminate and look down on, although, it's us as people to know when to bite your tongue as the consequences in what words can say, that within lies the power to strike back and make a war of words that are stupid and have no meaning. Teach your young what the words spoken actually mean and say unto others say things that you would want heard about you?
Think about it. Don't just say it. It could lead to your death?

That sounded gay didn't it?

Accepting that other people are different, and acknowledging and celebrating all the funny/cool/weird/embarrassing/naughty/etc things that make people different is as good a place to start as any, so far as I'm concerned.

If you like someone, how can you possibly dislike part of what makes them who they are? You don't have to feel the same way too, but at the very least you shouldn't dislike it. If you don't like someone, learning to at least not get your knickers in a twist over them is far more healthy than any amount of negative reaction or pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

That's not aimed at you, MB

I'm a ging-er so obviously I'm better than the lot of you, ya bunch of windae lickin' gay bastardos

mh wrote: That's not aimed at you, MB

*phew* ~ thank you! I got lost at the "pseudo-intellectual claptrap." and wouldn't know what on earth to answer to that!

i've got only one thing to say about this (in the words of the prophet):

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law�
A.C.

Unfortunately in this given context, that quote comes out on both sides of the argument, presenting 10 different points as it does so

Motz wrote:Unfortunately in this given context, that quote comes out on both sides of the argument, presenting 10 different points as it does so

indeed...

I don't like humans much, and this is just one reason why...

I like friends, friends are good having friends works for me.

SINsister wrote:I don't like humans much, and this is just one reason why...

We should form a misanthropy alliance and wear badges that say "I hate with equality"!

Yeah, but I think "hate"'s too strong a word, and not quite accurate. I don't hate humanity, I just really don't want anything much to do with it. I guess it's more mistrust/disgust.

weebleswobble wrote:I'm a ging-er so obviously I'm better than the lot of you...

Hee heee - go the ging-ers!!
Proud to be another flame-head, hurray for Scots ancestry!

therealsamdevos wrote:i've got only one thing to say about this (in the words of the prophet):

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law�
A.C.

just a prophet for the dim-witted.

"Each to his own taste" - in the (translated) words of Friedrich II - puts it much more elegantly.

@Sinsister. Strange, I always found that those who insist on being oh so misanthrophic are the ones who are most dependant on a positive response by others.

canon docre wrote:Strange, I always found that those who insist on being oh so misanthrophic are the ones who are most dependant on a positive response by others.

Guilty as charged and good to see you back Jess.

canon docre wrote: @Sinsister. Strange, I always found that those who insist on being oh so misanthrophic are the ones who are most dependant on a positive response by others.

THAT explains why a nice, social guy like me does not give a flying feck about other people's opinions!

IZ.

James Blast wrote:

canon docre wrote:Strange, I always found that those who insist on being oh so misanthrophic are the ones who are most dependant on a positive response by others.

Guilty as charged and good to see you back Jess.

I was always here my friend. It's just not so easy nowadays to make out a thread which isnt yet drowned in indecipherable internal-Glasgow-speak.

canon docre wrote:@Sinsister. Strange, I always found that those who insist on being oh so misanthrophic are the ones who are most dependant on a positive response by others.

Hmm? "Insist" on being misanthropic? Well, not really...I don't insist on anything, it's just the way I am...pretty much always have been, I guess. I think I'm missing something, here..? And I'm not dependent on *any* response from other people, most of the time - positive, or otherwise. I stand on the outside of it all, observing, basically.

OK, nothing but the Queen's from this keyboard... well untill I get bored.

SINsister wrote:

canon docre wrote:@Sinsister. Strange, I always found that those who insist on being oh so misanthrophic are the ones who are most dependant on a positive response by others.

Hmm? "Insist" on being misanthropic? Well, not really...I don't insist on anything, it's just the way I am...pretty much always have been, I guess. I think I'm missing something, here..? And I'm not dependent on *any* response from other people, most of the time - positive, or otherwise. I stand on the outside of it all, observing, basically.

oh I didnt mean you in any way. It was just a general observation.

canon docre wrote:oh I didnt mean you in any way. It was just a general observation.

Ahhhh... "@Sinsister" was just for effect, then, eh?