Who is sensitive about TSOM being labelled a 'goth' band?

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There's a label called "cockrock", perhaps we can add "cockgoth" to the list of labels ... or "darkcock" :lol:
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Hmmm ... the age thing could well have a lot to do with how you personally perceive the Sisters at the time. Maybe you're more likely to think of them as a goth band during this period if you yourself were a goth during the same period?

I'm wondering if there was much of a scene prior to the Sisters ... Juju didn't come out until 1981 ... admittedly Bauhaus and others were already around ... but I'm not sure that it was quite a 'scene' as such at that point.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is whether the goth audience existed prior to the SOM ... which ever came first, they certainly found each other soon enough.
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Pursued By Trees wrote: I'm wondering if there was much of a scene prior to the Sisters ... Juju didn't come out until 1981 ... admittedly Bauhaus and others were already around ... but I'm not sure that it was quite a 'scene' as such at that point.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is whether the goth audience existed prior to the SOM ... which ever came first, they certainly found each other soon enough.
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Izzy HaveMercy wrote:New Wave is old goff for old people that still feel young.
... but look old :lol:
Speak for yourself, toots! :P ;) :lol:
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Pursued By Trees wrote:Maybe you're more likely to think of them as a goth band during this period if you yourself were a goth during the same period?
I'd never even heard of "g*th" until I was labeled one in 1989 (with the prefix "dodgy" attached... ;) :lol:) by my Brit cousin's (then) best friend! Until then, I'd assumed that Siouxsie, Bauhaus, The Cure, et al. were all simply punk rockers who sounded/looked a bit more somber/ominous than the rest...
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SINsister wrote:
I'd never even heard of "g*th" until I was labeled one in 1989 (with the prefix "dodgy" attached... ;) :lol:) by my Brit cousin's (then) best friend! Until then, I'd assumed that Siouxsie, Bauhaus, The Cure, et al. were all simply punk rockers who sounded/looked a bit more somber/ominous than the rest...
I used to be called New Wave, till one day i got labeled goth. I, on the other hand hadn't changed a bit....
Strange, but suddenly "goth" got dodgy connotations....more people calling it was a daft thing, specially metallers, and guys into hardcore, as far as i can recall.....
However I do not understand all the stuff that comes under "goth", these days....
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paul wrote:There's a label called "cockrock", perhaps we can add "cockgoth" to the list of labels ... or "darkcock" :lol:
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alice wrote:
SINsister wrote:
I'd never even heard of "g*th" until I was labeled one in 1989 (with the prefix "dodgy" attached... ;) :lol:) by my Brit cousin's (then) best friend! Until then, I'd assumed that Siouxsie, Bauhaus, The Cure, et al. were all simply punk rockers who sounded/looked a bit more somber/ominous than the rest...
I used to be called New Wave, till one day i got labeled goth. I, on the other hand hadn't changed a bit....
Strange, but suddenly "goth" got dodgy connotations....more people calling it was a daft thing, specially metallers, and guys into hardcore, as far as i can recall.....
However I do not understand all the stuff that comes under "goth", these days....
It's those hybrid bands. Cradle Of Filth is considered 'too goth' by a lot of black metallers, and they're 'too metal' for the oldschool goth crowd. Can I interpret what you wrote to mean that since you don't like the changes goth music has gone through over the years (in terms of a wider variety of bands being included in the umbrella) that it's an improper label? If you liked the music you'd have no problem with the label? Or is the issue strictly with proper identification? My guess is you like the oldschool goth music. :)
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I'm past caring about all of this, myself. And labels suck, imho. :von:
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How "indie" of you. :lol:
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Always thought of the Sisters as a New Wave band also myself.
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SINsister wrote:I'm past caring about all of this, myself. And labels suck, imho. :von:
You did care enough to post that you didn't care. And 'labels suck' is another way of saying that you care about labels. 8)
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Badlander wrote: The word you're looking for is... punk. Don't complicate it. :P
Yeah, that's really it, I think.

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SINsister wrote:I'm past caring about all of this, myself. And labels suck, imho. :von:
You did care enough to post that you didn't care. And 'labels suck' is another way of saying that you care about labels. 8)
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Nah, he's not. Like I said, I don't care. ;) :P
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Dark wrote:How "indie" of you. :lol:
It is? :eek: :lol: :roll:
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sultan2075 wrote:
Badlander wrote: The word you're looking for is... punk. Don't complicate it. :P
Yeah, that's really it, I think.

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SINsister wrote:I'm past caring about all of this, myself. And labels suck, imho. :von:
You did care enough to post that you didn't care. And 'labels suck' is another way of saying that you care about labels. 8)
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Oh, okay. Now I see. She's the mod!
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White Like Jesus wrote:Uh oh. This person is scary when angered?

LOL@ "this person"! :lol: That's "Ms. Mod, Your Hostess With The Mostest and Heartland Co-Founder" to you, good sir! ;) :kiss:

And nah, not really. I'm not "scary" when I'm angry. I'm just plain scary (and a hard-nosed, difficult bitch), is all. :lol: *Cough* :innocent: :von:
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SINsister wrote:I'm just plain scary (and a hard-nosed, difficult bitch), is all. :lol: *Cough* :innocent: :von:
Naw!!!! you ain't. :lol:
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SINsister wrote: And nah, not really. I'm not "scary" when I'm angry. I'm just plain scary (and a hard-nosed, difficult bitch), is all. :lol: *Cough* :innocent: :von:
I'm not sure I believe any of that ;)
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Hom_Corleone wrote:
SINsister wrote:I'm just plain scary (and a hard-nosed, difficult bitch), is all. :lol: *Cough* :innocent: :von:
Naw!!!! you ain't. :lol:
:eek:
How dare you.

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Scared ya, didn't I? ;D


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SINsister wrote: And nah, not really. I'm not "scary" when I'm angry. I'm just plain scary (and a hard-nosed, difficult bitch), is all. :lol: *Cough* :innocent: :von:
I'm not sure I believe any of that ;)
Hmm. I'm not sure whether to be annoyed or impressed...




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Bueno... after this moment of tenderness, let's get back to the tracks here, shall we?

WERE the Sisters goff or not?

I think not.

Reason: AFAIK by the time "goff" was an officialy known word, twas the 90's and the Sisters wore green-and-pink T-shirts. By that time, however, the selfdeclared goffs were WAY past what the original wave/punk was all about, with their whole esoterian mombojumbo doing the macarena et tout consorts.

Whenever I see one of those esoterian mombojumbos doing the macarena et tout consorts, I think of Holy Mozes and kitty litter and thank the Lord that back in the days it was real.

There, I've said it. ;D
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Sister's were dark at one stage!

anyhoo goth is just a state of mind and this discussion could go on forever.

Sister's now are no longer goth so get over it.

Von sung deep meaning lyrics that attracted all kinds of labelled people and that's the thing that TSOM do whenever, with whoever.

Lucky them and lucky us. 8)

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