Heartland

Yeah, and I love 'm both

Chairman Bux wrote:Never heard of them.

PM me your address and I'll send you a copy!

_emma_ wrote:

Hom_Corleone wrote:@Emma - Which biography did you read? There are several - some of which tell a better story than others. The general view was that he was a bit of a drunken changeling. Nice, sensetive guy when sober. Arse when pissed.

I don't remember, sorry, I was 16 or so and smoked a lot of dope back then. I just recall thinking "what a bastard" every couple of pages and being put off the music for months.
Still, these days I'm one of the first people to go to the dancefloor when they get played in a pub.

according to an ex- who, as you know, had more Doors stuff than it was safe for anyone to own this was the best

http://www.amazon.com/One-Here-Gets-Out ... 0446602280


me, i like to think of him as a 'peter pan' character who refused to grow up [not in a physical sense you understand - he managed that rather well ]


...and i loved the idea of his stinky old 'lucky' boots

and 'strange days' is a genius album

To me, i haven't heard or read a single thing he said that he wasn't right about. i know what you mean, PIB, about him refusing to grow up...it's very true, refusing to adapt to the garbage of the world, and that is meant when one is accused of not wanting to grow up...but i'm the same as him, in that sense, always been.

i see him very much like Christ - who also refused to grow up. Also there's a lot of Bobby Fischer in him.

And there's just as much pure unadulterated LIES about all of them. Au contraire to what i said originally, i did watch the Doors movie two nights ago, and what a bunch of distortions and lies, all deliberate, it was (Ray Manzarek said sirectly that he looked in the eyes of Oliver Stone and saw that there was just something off there). Just like the churches teach lies, and Kasparov and New in Chess, and the whole chess media, spread terrible lies about Fischer (you know what the expression 'damned by faint praise' means...), some of them deliberately and some just by repeating idiocies that others have invented.

Above all, he was a great human being. And that's the most important thing...saying he was an asshole is just taking some facts and not looking at the context. (And in that regard, ahem, i'd like to point out that people here who think i'm an asshole, do the very same mistake).

itnAklipse wrote:... i see him very much like Christ ...

Although on a more serious note I think I maybe get what you mean ... especially in that perhaps Christ wasn't so bad, it's just a lot of the Christians I encounter that tend to put me off taking more of an interest.

itnAklipse wrote:Above all, he was a great human being. And that's the most important thing...saying he was an asshole is just taking some facts and not looking at the context. (And in that regard, ahem, i'd like to point out that people here who think i'm an asshole, do the very same mistake).

To be fair, while I disagree strongly with a lot of your opinions, you rarely fail to be thought-provoking IMO.

Is that damning you by faint praise?

Edit to add: Yeah, you can be an arsehole sometimes, but then I can be an arsehole sometimes...

@Mark: Those are the kindest words i've heard in a long time so i'm not even gonna analyse if it's damning by faint praise And i'm genuinelly glad to hear that.

@Emma: We could, but i'm not sure i understand the merits of 'gentlemen'.

It's a built social structure, all about repression and an artificial code of behaviour, and that's my point about Jimbo. He was against such things, and behaved naturally. And since he said what he felt, did what he felt, everyone thinks he's an asshole. Because he wouldn't play up to people's expectations and fit in to the category they had put him in...that's exactly the point.

@Pursued by Trees: Exactly so! Forgetting so-called (self)-righteous church-going christians, people like David Tibet or Barry McGuire, whom i would consider real Christians, have their own vision of Christ. To them Christ is not an artificially oppressive force whose commands you must follow, but comparable to Tao.

And i've watched quite a few documentaries about Jimbo lately, and they are all filled with obvious lies.

The sad thing is, even his bandmates didn't understand him at all. But the garbage Jeffersons Airplane members said was the worst, along with the producer, paul rothchild.

I was doing time
In the universal mind,
I was feeling fine.
I was turning keys,
I was setting people free,
I was doing alright.

Then you came along,
With a suitcase and a song,
Turned my head around.
Now I'm so alone,
Just looking for a home
In every place I see.

I'm the freedom man,
I'm the freedom man,
I'm the freedom man,
That's how lucky I am.

The Boors. Absolute pish. Drugged up, hippy rawk pish at that.
Jim Morrison =
In my opinion.

I can go there Andy and may I add: psuedo Native American drug induced 60s bollocks, revolution Mahn! wrapped up in a reasonable drummer, very guid guitar player, stunning front man with a beautiful voice and an absolute wankstain on kybds.
Morrison smells bad, alive and dead but he could hold a crowd and could croon. Imagine how majestic The Doors woulda sounded with Keith Emerson on kybs!

itnAklipse wrote:But the garbage Jeffersons Airplane members said was the worst, along with the producer, paul rothchild.

...and what did they say?
I was under the impression Rothchild was one of his true friends

And by the way, for what it's worth (in the main) I agree with Marks comments.

as one door opens... http://www.planetrock.co.uk/article.asp?id=722212

James Blast wrote:as one door opens... http://www.planetrock.co.uk/article.asp?id=722212

Should be interesting..well, for me anyway.
I wonder who's doing the Jim impression now?