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I really think they should listen to Ben.

ben?

Debi wrote:ben?

Ben wants to go to South Africa

hallucienate wrote:

Debi wrote:ben?

Ben wants to go to South Africa

why?

Debi wrote:

hallucienate wrote:

Debi wrote:ben?

Ben wants to go to South Africa

why?

So I don't have to travel half the way across the world to see them again.

oh i see - fair enough then they should go to SA then : )

LouLou wrote:

doctoravalanche wrote:April fool on Side-Line:

http://www.side-line.com/news_comments. ... 06_0_2_0_C

Below is 'Doktor Avalanche' live at work at the Brixton Academy back in 1983. You'll also notice Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams and Ben Gunn in the line-up next to 'Doktor Avalanche'.

about time someone realised who the real star of the show was

This was great, thanks for the link.

Though it's a great quality video included in the article, especially for something so early (one of the best looking I've seen) don't you think they could have picked something else to showcase the good Doktor a bit better? I mean I love Valentine and all but it's not like he's working hard here...

Nicole wrote:
Though it's a great quality video included in the article, especially for something so early (one of the best looking I've seen) don't you think they could have picked something else to showcase the good Doktor a bit better? I mean I love Valentine and all but it's not like he's working hard here...

Very true

I don't know if there is any footage of this, but Floorshow at Nijmegen 1984 would have been perfect:

"this is called floorshow"...(enter the doctor)..."for a very good reason!"

I must say that I think it's true that the stag-party type of tourists, English or not, are a nuisance.
Before and after the gig in Prague late at night I went to some pubs and it was apparent that the waiters/bartenders do not like people speaking English. When I spoke Polish, I was still frowned upon (1968 is still alive in the Czech mentality, it seems), but not as much as when I spoke English. I was wondering why. And then late at night after the gig I had this rather unpleasant situation that made me undrestand:
I was walking towards my hotel at night alone through the old town, and passed some groups of drunk male tourists... I didn't mind, until one of them approached me and said that I looked like a chick and whether I would like him to buy me coffee at McDonalds nearby. I thought WTF, why would I need a coffe at 3 AM from f**king McDonalds which I obviously hate. So I said no thank you, why, I'm heading towards my hotel because I need to sleep, why would I need a coffe with you mister whoever. And he said, well I just thought that you were not a tourist but a local chick, because you look like a local chick.
And so on...

It seems that he took it for granted that "local chicks" are ready to be f**ked by rich tourists for a cup of coffee at McDonalds.
How very, very sad.
I said f**k off, I'm not local, I'm on a business trip here, my business is chasing dreams, the kind of dreams that you could never be able to dream of in your entire life....
But I just can't imagine how extremely offended I would feel if I was indeed local. Honestly, I would gladly implement that "Hostel" movie ideas upon this bastard and his mates.

_emma_ wrote:I must say that I think it's true that the stag-party type of tourists, English or not, are a nuisance.
Before and after the gig in Prague late at night I went to some pubs and it was apparent that the waiters/bartenders do not like people speaking English. When I spoke Polish, I was still frowned upon (1968 is still alive in the Czech mentality, it seems), but not as much as when I spoke English. I was wondering why. And then late at night after the gig I had this rather unpleasant situation that made me undrestand:
I was walking towards my hotel at night alone through the old town, and passed some groups of drunk male tourists... I didn't mind, until one of them approached me and said that I looked like a chick and whether I would like him to buy me coffee at McDonalds nearby. I thought WTF, why would I need a coffe at 3 AM from f**king McDonalds which I obviously hate. So I said no thank you, why, I'm heading towards my hotel because I need to sleep, why would I need a coffe with you mister whoever. And he said, well I just thought that you were not a tourist but a local chick, because you look like a local chick.
And so on...

It seems that he took it for granted that "local chicks" are ready to be f**ked by rich tourists for a cup of coffee at McDonalds.
How very, very sad.
I said f**k off, I'm not local, I'm on a business trip here, my business is chasing dreams, the kind of dreams that you could never be able to dream of in your entire life....
But I just can't imagine how extremely offended I would feel if I was indeed local. Honestly, I would gladly implement that "Hostel" movie ideas upon this bastard and his mates.

He must have thought you were a "streetwalker"

Aye, there's parts of the City Centre that are not pleasant to be in after dark now. It was an eye opener for me on my last visit 2 years ago, as I visited some of my favourite pubs and the staff weren't as friendly as before and the clientele had changed. Lots of hassle from pimps and drug dealers in Wenceslas square. Luckily my Czech friends know some great places hidden away from tourists and nighthawks.

Big Si wrote:He must have thought you were a "streetwalker"

Well okay, he might have. Ok, in every city there are streetwalkers and brothels, and red light districts, everybody knows this. And at 3 AM after a Sisters gig and quite a few drinks, with Ribbons still in my earphones, I definitely might have looked like a streetwalker experienced enough to be cheap because of the approaching sell-by date. Fair enough.
That doesn't bother me, really. What I found offensive was the "local" word.
You know, if I were a male tourist looking for cheap sexual adventures in a foreign city, I would avoid approaching "local chicks" for fear of their local mates hiding around the corners. It's how much impudence it takes to behave like he did that makes me so angry.

_emma_ wrote:

Big Si wrote:He must have thought you were a "streetwalker"

...What I found offensive was the "local" word.

I hope this isn't the case, but it could be:

Given that the area has developed the reputation it has, it may be that the sort of women they're looking for are available. They're just too damned stupid to know the difference.

Many years ago, when I worked at a lodge in Yosemite Valley - where vast numbers of international tourists passed through - I was one day followed all over the place and eventually even back to my room by three South American boys who were apparently convinced they could score with me. I was hardly dressed the part (a dorky uniform, hiking boots, no makeup...), so I could only think that either a) they thought all chambermaids were hookers on the side, or b) that all American girls were 'loose'. The implication, in their broken English, was the latter.

(This was in decided contrast to the Japanese. Although they may be taking over from the US as the most tourist-y of tourists, instead of treating the maids as if they were sluts, they brought suitcases full of inexpensive but pretty gifts to give them as 'tips'. I still have a lovely crane scarf...)

mh wrote:

Debi wrote:has anyone asked about his childhood / family?

i havent heard anything about this and someone mentioned somewhere about him keeping very quiet about that?

I get the impression that Von prefers to keep quiet about this, that he doesn't really have any interaction with his family (and hasn't had since the late 70s or thereabouts), and that this line of questioning would be one surefire way to guarantee an early end to the interview.

I vaguely recall an interview from the Floodland era or so, where Von stated he has a sibling, but that his closest living relatives "are not significant". Could've meant that in the context of the band, which is fair enough, naturally.

But I wouldn't be too surprised to learn he would've been estranged from his family a long time ago.

copper wrote:

mh wrote:

Debi wrote:has anyone asked about his childhood / family?

i havent heard anything about this and someone mentioned somewhere about him keeping very quiet about that?

I get the impression that Von prefers to keep quiet about this, that he doesn't really have any interaction with his family (and hasn't had since the late 70s or thereabouts), and that this line of questioning would be one surefire way to guarantee an early end to the interview.

I vaguely recall an interview from the Floodland era or so, where Von stated he has a sibling, but that his closest living relatives "are not significant". Could've meant that in the context of the band, which is fair enough, naturally.

But I wouldn't be too surprised to learn he would've been estranged from his family a long time ago.

thats sad. mind you - they could be awful!!

Debi wrote:

copper wrote:

mh wrote: I get the impression that Von prefers to keep quiet about this, that he doesn't really have any interaction with his family (and hasn't had since the late 70s or thereabouts), and that this line of questioning would be one surefire way to guarantee an early end to the interview.

I vaguely recall an interview from the Floodland era or so, where Von stated he has a sibling, but that his closest living relatives "are not significant". Could've meant that in the context of the band, which is fair enough, naturally.

But I wouldn't be too surprised to learn he would've been estranged from his family a long time ago.

thats sad. mind you - they could be awful!!

i think i remember the guy from the bus station loonies saying he used to know his sister. i also recall reading/hearing somewhere that he has a brother... cant remember where though.

are "bus station loonies" a band or just homeless loonies?

a band.

although you aren't a million miles off with either

they're a ska/punk/reggae band, and they've done a wicked dub cover of temple of love

http://www.myspace.com/thebusstationloonies

ohh - i'l have a wee listen later ta!!

great name though

There's an interview, can't remember quite where, in which he mentions his family briefly and that he was traumatised by monkeys (who were attracted to him for some reason) on a trip with them somewhere quite exotic.

abridged wrote:There's an interview, can't remember quite where, in which he mentions his family briefly and that he was traumatised by monkeys (who were attracted to him for some reason) on a trip with them somewhere quite exotic.

thats funny as my husband hates monkeys - they scare him - and thats saying something as he's well over six foot tall and not a whippet!!

abridged wrote:There's an interview, can't remember quite where, in which he mentions his family briefly and that he was traumatised by monkeys (who were attracted to him for some reason) on a trip with them somewhere quite exotic.

here's a linky to that interview

http://www.zsd.co.za/~lucien/sisters/in ... w.php?id=3

(hope hallucienate won't be too mad with me for posting links from his site )

thank you - thats a fab interview. very nicely done : )

Debi wrote:thank you - thats a fab interview. very nicely done : )

it is, isn't it? goes to show that mr.e is perfectly capable of giving good interviews...when he wants to

LouLou wrote:

Debi wrote:thank you - thats a fab interview. very nicely done : )

it is, isn't it? goes to show that mr.e is perfectly capable of giving good interviews...when he wants to

hey - he's a bloke - they'll be good when they want to

Debi wrote:

LouLou wrote:

Debi wrote:thank you - thats a fab interview. very nicely done : )

it is, isn't it? goes to show that mr.e is perfectly capable of giving good interviews...when he wants to

hey - he's a bloke - they'll be good when they want to

actually i should have added "and when theres something in it for them"