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Posted: 30 Sep 2009, 18:56
by DocSommer
Being645 wrote:... as a matter of fact. 2000, since last year in autumn ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

and before that, I had even less problems, thanks to 98ME ... :lol:
:lol: :lol: well, why not ;D
Vista is not an upgrade. Trust me on this one. Confused
Oh I do - I've "downgraded" enough vista computers back to XP :lol:

Re: Mac vs PC - The Last Word

Posted: 30 Sep 2009, 23:13
by stufarq
MadameButterfly wrote:
stufarq wrote: To be fair, everything grinds to a halt whwnever you visit MySpace. The real question is why you would want to.
No, I've never had that problem of Myspace grinding to a halt.
I meant that it takes forever for the pages to load because there's so much shit on them. I usually find that my browser can't do anything else until it's waded through all the crap.

Re: Mac vs PC - The Last Word

Posted: 01 Oct 2009, 11:50
by MadameButterfly
stufarq wrote:
MadameButterfly wrote:
stufarq wrote: To be fair, everything grinds to a halt whwnever you visit MySpace. The real question is why you would want to.
No, I've never had that problem of Myspace grinding to a halt.
I meant that it takes forever for the pages to load because there's so much shit on them. I usually find that my browser can't do anything else until it's waded through all the crap.
Oh! Now I get what you mean. Nah I don't have that problem either. I think it's because I have a good ISP. :wink:

Re: Mac vs PC - The Last Word

Posted: 01 Oct 2009, 23:57
by stufarq
MadameButterfly wrote:
stufarq wrote:
MadameButterfly wrote: No, I've never had that problem of Myspace grinding to a halt.
I meant that it takes forever for the pages to load because there's so much shit on them. I usually find that my browser can't do anything else until it's waded through all the crap.
Oh! Now I get what you mean. Nah I don't have that problem either. I think it's because I have a good ISP. :wink:
Yeah, you could be right about that.

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 10:00
by eotunun
A friend of mine, a programmer, got a Macbook from his boss. It was the one a former colleague used, who left the company in anger and did not give the passwords to access the computer. With important data on it there was a problem.
Hacking it via network took my mate as long as twenty minutes.
So where's that fabulous superiority of Mac OS?
Good looking things which really were a technical alternative as long as they helped keeping the Motorola CPU in developement.
That's over now, so where's the point in paying load for a non-open Unix/Linux/BSD-Clone?

Re: Mac vs PC - The Last Word

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 10:49
by Izzy HaveMercy
stufarq wrote:
MadameButterfly wrote:
stufarq wrote: I meant that it takes forever for the pages to load because there's so much shit on them. I usually find that my browser can't do anything else until it's waded through all the crap.
Oh! Now I get what you mean. Nah I don't have that problem either. I think it's because I have a good ISP. :wink:
Yeah, you could be right about that.
Got FireFox 3 and AdBlock Plus for that, and never had that problem...

IZ.

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 12:14
by markfiend
eotunun wrote:A friend of mine, a programmer, got a Macbook from his boss. It was the one a former colleague used, who left the company in anger and did not give the passwords to access the computer. With important data on it there was a problem.
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Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 12:36
by methadrine
eotunun wrote:A friend of mine, a programmer, got a Macbook from his boss. It was the one a former colleague used, who left the company in anger and did not give the passwords to access the computer. With important data on it there was a problem.
Hacking it via network took my mate as long as twenty minutes.
So where's that fabulous superiority of Mac OS?
Good looking things which really were a technical alternative as long as they helped keeping the Motorola CPU in developement.
That's over now, so where's the point in paying load for a non-open Unix/Linux/BSD-Clone?
20 minutes? Wow, that's slow. He could have just booted the mac in targetmode and then pull off the files through firewire or USB. Or.. insert the OS X install DVD and reset the password.

And if you want to go into semantics about superiority, well.. you can do the same with Windows machines too in less than 5 minutes. Ofcourse, a poweruser encrypts his harddrive and then the above suggestions doesn't work...

The point in paying a load is that you get a stable system, since OS X is optimized specifically for the hardware Apple sells, so they don't need to spend valuable time trying to support the vast amounts of different hardware a generic pc can contain, great support when something doesn't work, and major OS updates that you don't have to pay through the nose to get (since it's the hardware you pay premium for). Another added bonus thanks to the BSD inheritance is that you can run most, if not all, Linux applications on a mac through X11 or the terminal straight out of the box without external programs such as Cygwin which most windows users who like linux apps have to run if the program isn't ported to run on windows.

But that's just basic stuff. There are lots of little things that OS X offers that is just built in. Need to create a PDF quickly? Just save whatever you work on as a PDF, no need to use any external programs. Want to create a textfile from some text from the net? Don't touch the copy button! Just drag the selected text to your desktop and BOOM, a document is created with the selected text, and or images. Want to create a new PDF file from just certain pages in one big PDF? Just select the various pages, drag to the desktop. BOOM. New PDF created. Need to upload files in a folder weekly to a FTP site? Just create a simple script in Automator, tell the computer to run it weekly. Done. Got lots of windows open and need a specific one real fast? Exposé to the rescue. One click and you got a complete look of all windows you got opened, and just select the one you want. Need to mail an image to a friend? Just select the image, drag to the mail-app, enter the mail adress and swoosh, you're done. Need to show a friend how to do a certain thing on his computer? Either connect to his with screenshare and show him in real time, or use the built-in screencapture program and create a video and mail it to him.

I don't have to get into the "no viruses" thing too, am I? ;)

All these little things sound like nothing, but when you compare how to do all this on a windows machine you get to see how fluid it makes daily work. So yes, the motorola days are over but Apple still brings us lots of fancy things with their software.

This doesn't mean that Apple does everything right though, there are some issues I still hate that they don't fix (Samba shares in Snow Leopard for example.. GRRR!), but compared to other OS's and machines out there, I'd choose an Apple one in an instant, anytime.

Whoa, that got to be quite the posting but what the heck, it had to be said. ;D

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 13:28
by Quiff Boy
All these little things sound like nothing, but when you compare how to do all this on a windows machine you get to see how fluid it makes daily work
that's exactly how i felt after a few weeks of using a mac... it suddenly felt like the computer was working with me, rather than against me... i'd never go back to a pc, no matter how much they might try to build on windows 7 8)

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 14:50
by James Blast
Rev'rnd!

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 14:59
by sultan2075
Indeed.

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 16:16
by Obviousman
Words of wisdom ;D

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 17:06
by stufarq
methadrine wrote:I don't have to get into the "no viruses" thing too, am I? ;)
I've said it before but the reason Mac has so few viruses is because so few people use it and no-one's interested in a minority sport. If Mac was as popular as PC it would have just as many viruses.

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 17:25
by Obviousman
And if users would be daft enough to install virusses themselves :wink:

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 19:32
by methadrine
stufarq wrote:
methadrine wrote:I don't have to get into the "no viruses" thing too, am I? ;)
I've said it before but the reason Mac has so few viruses is because so few people use it and no-one's interested in a minority sport. If Mac was as popular as PC it would have just as many viruses.
Then all the linux/BSD boxes out there should've been hit by viruses by now. OS X usually separates access to system files and user files like Linux does, so you pretty much have to go the trojan way as for now. ...and the user who gladly type in his admin password should think twice and ask himself why on earth a nude picture of Pamela Anderson, Err.. I mean.. Andrew Eldritch! wants to install things in places it shouldn't... :innocent:

Ofcourse, the day that OS X gets viruses I'd be happy, because that prompts users to really look after how secure their computers are, which at the moment I have to do myself as a Windows and OS X sysadmin. Not cool.

Posted: 02 Oct 2009, 19:45
by James Blast
wise words mate

Posted: 03 Oct 2009, 17:35
by stufarq
methadrine wrote:[and the user who gladly type in his admin password should think twice and ask himself why on earth a nude picture of Pamela Anderson, Err.. I mean.. Andrew Eldritch! wants to install things in places it shouldn't... :innocent:
You've got Pamela Anderson trying to install things in places she shouldn't? :eek:

Re: Mac vs PC - The Last Word

Posted: 03 Oct 2009, 19:48
by MadameButterfly
Izzy HaveMercy wrote: Got FireFox 3 and AdBlock Plus for that, and never had that problem...

IZ.
I've got FireFox not sure which one & not sure the other thingy's but all I know is that we have four users on this laptop all with their own preference of ISP, Jos works with Safari and all is fine & well here. :D

Posted: 05 Oct 2009, 09:22
by markfiend
There are "proof of concept" Mac & Linux malwares out there, no computer is 100% secure from the "click here to see the dancing bunnies" type of user.

The point is that Windows won't usually prompt you with "Are you sure you want to install this malware? Please enter your administration password to continue".

Contrary to public perception, there are many more *nix boxes (Mac and Linux) "out there" than Windows boxes. Most of the web works on *nix boxes and they don't regularly get pwn3d by malware. Similarly things like TomTom satnav runs an embedded Linux, hell, these days your DVD player and your DAB radio probably run on an embedded Linux. How often do they come down with malware attacks?