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Being645 wrote:

Aazhyd wrote: Dutch or Germans will never call someone "von" or "van", just because it's part of their name, it's just plain silly.

They would - to point at the feature of nobility of this person ... more or less in jest, but not necessarily in bad faith ...

Are you German? I'm Dutch. In Holland "van" does not refer to nobility. In Germany, it usually does. In Holland referring to someone as "van" would be quite silly and most people wouldn't even understand what you mean with it. I assume for Germans it's similar, but I'm not sure.

(This discussion is a tad silly, I'd say.)

Aazhyd wrote:
(This discussion is a tad silly, I'd say.)

uuch, yes ... so let's just stop it ...
as I said, in jest people say a lot of things. Whether others
might understand this a "normal" use of language or not varies ... ...

Being645 wrote:uuch, yes ... so let's just stop it ...

YES!!! I WON!!!

... ... ... ...

This may not be accurate as far as what "von" was intended to be used for, but to me, calling him simply "Von" without anything else is equivalent to elevating him to something higher. And I refuse to do that with anyone.

i think it was given to him ironically, due to him skulking around germany

i would suggest the fact that it might refer to someone of a higher class (or whatever you want to call it) is probably part of the joke...

Aazhyd wrote: Are you German? I'm Dutch. In Holland "van" does not refer to nobility. In Germany, it usually does. In Holland referring to someone as "van" would be quite silly and most people wouldn't even understand what you mean with it. I assume for Germans it's similar, but I'm not sure.

(This discussion is a tad silly, I'd say.)

OF COURSE it's silly! And I doubt anyone in Germany uses that nick name. Actually I wasn't even aware anyone would call Eldritch "Von" until recently. I think I read an interview where Eldritch said Tony James invented it, and I thought, oh well, now it makes "sense"...

Yes it was Tony James:

FAQ dim wrote:Tony James decided to point out that I was hanging out in Hamburg rather more than Halifax.

markfiend wrote:Yes it was Tony James:

FAQ dim wrote:Tony James decided to point out that I was hanging out in Hamburg rather more than Halifax.

If I can remember things like that, why can I never remember things like doctor appointments, Slavoj Zizek books, the birthdays of my friends...?

A problem familiar to many of us I think.

OF COURSE it's silly! And I doubt anyone in Germany uses that nick name. Actually I wasn't even aware anyone would call Eldritch "Von" until recently. I think I read an interview where Eldritch said Tony James invented it, and I thought, oh well, now it makes "sense"...

Calling someone just "von" is indeed not common in any way. It's neither funny or really insulting - people wouldn't just get the point. But we have nicknames that are suppose to make fun of these kind of "nobility-names" like "Herr/Frau von und zu XXXX"[/quote]. In the strict sense this is not a real nickname because this "von und zu" (= "of and to") part do really exist in some family names - but it's very rare and sounds quite gay and pseudo-elitist these days. I think the "von und zu" appendis was created to suggest an even higher nobility class compared to a simple "von", that's why it is quite a popular nickname to spoof the simple "von" society^^

Aazhyd wrote:

EvilBastard wrote:In the same way that von Ribbentrop, von Papen, and von Neurath aren't names? They'll be very cross if they hear you say that.

Von means from or of. So the name von Neurath means: from the city of Neurath. Right? As far as I know, Eldritch is not a location.

Not necessarily. Vons Ribbentrop, Papen, and Neurath were permitted to add the "von" to their names as an indication of nobility (partly due to the NSDAP's wish to lend an air of teutonic nobility to their coterie of thugs), whereas von Zeppelin's hometown really was Zepelin.

However, I would assume that, because it was a nickname bestowed by an erstwhile bandmate, it would betoken an unwarranted level of familiarity to address him as "Von" unless you are that bandmate (and wearing a silly hat at the time).

Sir Taylor?

Schnucki <333

Eldo

EvilBastard wrote:it would betoken an unwarranted level of familiarity to address him as "Von" unless you are that bandmate (and wearing a silly hat at the time).

I already have a silly hat. So the only thing I have to do is become a member of the Sisters? That shouldn't be too hard.