The Sisters of Mercy Forum
Has anyone actually suggested that she can't play? The debate's about whether she did.Guedzilla wrote:IWhich doesn't mean at all she can't play bass. I don't know why you would hire a bass player and not use it, I guess only insiders of the recording session would know.
he tried to shag her. she said no,. simplezstufarq wrote:Has anyone actually suggested that she can't play? The debate's about whether she did.Guedzilla wrote:IWhich doesn't mean at all she can't play bass. I don't know why you would hire a bass player and not use it, I guess only insiders of the recording session would know.
Thinking about it, Von's comment about "if she'd ever bothered to lift up her bass" (if that's what he said) may not mean that she never did - just that she didn't do it as often as he would have liked. That would reconcile what he said with her assertion that she did play and the fact that there's another bass player credited on the album.
In that case: No love, no shag, no cry ... simple as that, I'd say ...paint it black wrote:he tried to shag her. she said no,. simplezstufarq wrote:Has anyone actually suggested that she can't play? The debate's about whether she did.Guedzilla wrote:IWhich doesn't mean at all she can't play bass. I don't know why you would hire a bass player and not use it, I guess only insiders of the recording session would know.
Thinking about it, Von's comment about "if she'd ever bothered to lift up her bass" (if that's what he said) may not mean that she never did - just that she didn't do it as often as he would have liked. That would reconcile what he said with her assertion that she did play and the fact that there's another bass player credited on the album.
... Mistery solved. Next.paint it black wrote:he tried to shag her. she said no,. simplezstufarq wrote:Has anyone actually suggested that she can't play? The debate's about whether she did.Guedzilla wrote:IWhich doesn't mean at all she can't play bass. I don't know why you would hire a bass player and not use it, I guess only insiders of the recording session would know.
Thinking about it, Von's comment about "if she'd ever bothered to lift up her bass" (if that's what he said) may not mean that she never did - just that she didn't do it as often as he would have liked. That would reconcile what he said with her assertion that she did play and the fact that there's another bass player credited on the album.
Too much, but never enough?Guedzilla wrote:Too much coffee I guess (or not enough).
Correct. It was a feudal system and he did, but I don't believe him.Guedzilla wrote:
Mistery solved. Next.
Oh, I had the impression someone implied she couldn't play. Too much coffee I guess (or not enough).
when he said that he wanted her out of the band (probably the reason for withholding her payrise) and long after Floodland was in the can. In fact after the imho best tracks on VT had been created and on which she had major creative input.paint it black wrote:he tried to shag her. she said no,. simplezstufarq wrote:Has anyone actually suggested that she can't play? The debate's about whether she did.Guedzilla wrote:IWhich doesn't mean at all she can't play bass. I don't know why you would hire a bass player and not use it, I guess only insiders of the recording session would know.
Thinking about it, Von's comment about "if she'd ever bothered to lift up her bass" (if that's what he said) may not mean that she never did - just that she didn't do it as often as he would have liked. That would reconcile what he said with her assertion that she did play and the fact that there's another bass player credited on the album.
Did she? So was the complaint about her not being credited to do with VT rather than Floodland?paint it black wrote:In fact after the imho best tracks on VT had been created and on which she had major creative input.
this is also a jokepaint it black wrote:I am the carry a bag man
friends in low slung placesstufarq wrote:Did she? So was the complaint about her not being credited to do with VT rather than Floodland?paint it black wrote:In fact after the imho best tracks on VT had been created and on which she had major creative input.
How do we know she was involved with VT? I don't remember hearing that before.
IIRC, she never actually complained ... maybe years later but not at the time - they had an agreement!!!stufarq wrote:Did she? So was the complaint about her not being credited to do with VT rather than Floodland?paint it black wrote:In fact after the imho best tracks on VT had been created and on which she had major creative input.
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)Seconded. It's improving though, as I could notice during the latest gigs ...Pista wrote:All that aside, the current live bass line is somewhat disappointing when compared to the original dontcha think?
Thanks for that. Never seen it before.copper wrote:"As Sounds exclusively revealed last week, Morrison is no longer in The Sisters Of Mercy, and hasn't worked with Eldritch since December (1989).
Until that time, the pair had been working with new Sisters, guitarist Andreas Bruhn (who had previously played in a series of German bands), on material for the Sisters' next album.
Patricia says that she had "convinced Andrew to tour" and "didn't have any inkling that this was going to happen"."
Of the new sisters material, Patricia says: "I wasn't too thrilled with the direction the record was going in. There were elements I ddin't like that could have gone eitehr way, and now that Tony James is in I want nothing to do with it. It seems obvious what's going on - it's scam time..."
- http://www.ultimatesistersguide.org/doc ... htm#div000
I'm sure there was definitely something at the time. I clearly remember a Q interview with Eldritch when VT was released. It said that, as well as the ongoing legal battle with Wayne ("I use a nice guy. Very polite, very well spoken"), Von was now being sued by Patricia but he couldn't speak about it. (When asked why his former bandmates kept taking him to court, he said that he didn't think he was really a bad guy but rather "a good guy who can shoot".)Being645 wrote:IIRC, she never actually complained ... maybe years later but not at the time - they had an agreement!!!stufarq wrote:Did she? So was the complaint about her not being credited to do with VT rather than Floodland?paint it black wrote:In fact after the imho best tracks on VT had been created and on which she had major creative input.
Still, I wonder how comes that people seem to hate and disregard her so thoroughly even nowadays ...
as if she had been worse than Wayne ...
Perhaps one can find that interview somewhere ...stufarq wrote:I'm sure there was definitely something at the time. I clearly remember a Q interview with Eldritch when VT was released. It said that, as well as the ongoing legal battle with Wayne ("I use a nice guy. Very polite, very well spoken"), Von was now being sued by Patricia but he couldn't speak about it. (When asked why his former bandmates kept taking him to court, he said that he didn't think he was really a bad guy but rather "a good guy who can shoot".)Being645 wrote:IIRC, she never actually complained ... maybe years later but not at the time - they had an agreement!!!stufarq wrote: Did she? So was the complaint about her not being credited to do with VT rather than Floodland?
Still, I wonder how comes that people seem to hate and disregard her so thoroughly even nowadays ...
as if she had been worse than Wayne ...
NB the quotes are from memory and may not be entirely accurate.
Well, basically I think those who dish out should be able to take ...stufarq wrote: Do people really hate Patricia nowadays? I see a lot of mockery, although a lot of that seems to be more mockery of the whole question of whether she played rather than aimed directly at her.
...It would be nice to although it didn't say much that's relevant to this thread. Most of it was about why he chose to work with the guy from Sigue Sigue Sputnik.Being645 wrote:Perhaps one can find that interview somewhere ...
I always thought he tried to say that she did not contributed in writing the songs. she might have played the bass but all under the strict guidelines pointed out bystufarq wrote:Another possibility is that we've all misinterpreted the context and Von was referring not to the recording but to some reason for them never playing live. Maybe he wanted to and she didn't. All speculation of course.
