sam donut wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 00:28
Oh yeah, I can understand your frustration at not having a reply, though. I would guess from time of commencement of viewing, but yes you'd need clarification of that. I see your point!
Yeah it’s rare I have 3 hours to sit down in one setting BY MYSELF, uninterrupted. So I’d need to know what I’m getting into before paying. I mean even the most evil corporate a-holes Amazon give you 48 hours to finish watching a 90 minute movie. 6 hours feels a bit unreasonable to me. As does the lousy customer service
Hopefully a bootleg crops up on the Toobs sooner or later. I’ll give my money to their merch store instead
sam donut wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 00:28
Oh yeah, I can understand your frustration at not having a reply, though. I would guess from time of commencement of viewing, but yes you'd need clarification of that. I see your point!
Yeah it’s rare I have 3 hours to sit down in one setting BY MYSELF, uninterrupted. So I’d need to know what I’m getting into before paying. I mean even the most evil corporate a-holes Amazon give you 48 hours to finish watching a 90 minute movie. 6 hours feels a bit unreasonable to me. As does the lousy customer service
Hopefully a bootleg crops up on the Toobs sooner or later. I’ll give my money to their merch store instead
Yeah, I totally take your point, sorry if it sounded arsey. Maybe badger NMA directly about when the time starts ticking? They're good people generally.
Re: New Model Army 40th anniversary gig
Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 01:40
by Swinnow
I'd guess there is a reasonable chance of a video release in due course, either DVD format or download, but so far I've seen or heard nothing to confirm my thinking.
sam donut wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 00:28
Oh yeah, I can understand your frustration at not having a reply, though. I would guess from time of commencement of viewing, but yes you'd need clarification of that. I see your point!
Yeah it’s rare I have 3 hours to sit down in one setting BY MYSELF, uninterrupted. So I’d need to know what I’m getting into before paying. I mean even the most evil corporate a-holes Amazon give you 48 hours to finish watching a 90 minute movie. 6 hours feels a bit unreasonable to me. As does the lousy customer service
Hopefully a bootleg crops up on the Toobs sooner or later. I’ll give my money to their merch store instead
Yeah, I totally take your point, sorry if it sounded arsey. Maybe badger NMA directly about when the time starts ticking? They're good people generally.
S’okay mate definitely not arsey. I did actually consider hitting them up on Twitter but second guessed myself out of it. Anyway it got me motivated enough to pick up the acoustic for the first time in six months and play a load of my favourite NMA songs. They were so bloody good back in the day. I’m gonna have to book some ‘leave me alone time’ and get that 40th gig before it goes away
Re: New Model Army 40th anniversary gig
Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 21:02
by sam donut
DJElectricDaddy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 08:15
S’okay mate definitely not arsey.
I'm glad about that!
I'm too paranoid for the internet sometimes!
DJElectricDaddy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 08:15
I did actually consider hitting them up on Twitter but second guessed myself out of it. Anyway it got me motivated enough to pick up the acoustic for the first time in six months and play a load of my favourite NMA songs. They were so bloody good back in the day. I’m gonna have to book some ‘leave me alone time’ and get that 40th gig before it goes away
Agree with all of that. I've been bashing out Green And Grey on the acoustic a lot in the last few weeks.
it's a fucking crime that Joolz only gets a footnoted afterthought of a mention. there would be no NMA without her drive and selfless dedication to Slade The Ungrateful and his ambitions in the bands early days. some of us are old enough to remember... #NMAOriginalFollowing
#TheMilitia
Re: New Model Army 40th anniversary gig
Posted: 15 Nov 2020, 20:45
by eastmidswhizzkid
Quiff Boy wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 21:36
Not played that yet, though they have delved through the archives for a couple of very old tunes.
They’ve just restarted after the break with Better Than Them.
man that fucking contrary cnut Slade refused to play Better Than Them for around 3 tours early 90's (impurity to hopeless causes sort of time) and i asked him why when i met him at a red sky coven gig. he said "people started to think that it literally meant "we're better than them." which isnt the meaning of the song at all."
yet the very next time they played it he actually dedicated it to all the cavemen and cavewomen one had to put up with in small-minded smalltown england who at the end of the day we could look at and say at least we are "better than them!...... love the band but Justin is a cunt-rary motherfucker."
sam donut wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 00:28
Oh yeah, I can understand your frustration at not having a reply, though. I would guess from time of commencement of viewing, but yes you'd need clarification of that. I see your point!
Yeah it’s rare I have 3 hours to sit down in one setting BY MYSELF, uninterrupted. So I’d need to know what I’m getting into before paying. I mean even the most evil corporate a-holes Amazon give you 48 hours to finish watching a 90 minute movie. 6 hours feels a bit unreasonable to me. As does the lousy customer service
Hopefully a bootleg crops up on the Toobs sooner or later. I’ll give my money to their merch store instead
apparently there aaaarrggh! (conspicuous pirate noise) ways to hack streamed videos...its all gibberish to me but theres definitely ways to steal i mean borow i mean not pay for some tings innit me hearty.
sam donut wrote: ↑14 Nov 2020, 00:28
Oh yeah, I can understand your frustration at not having a reply, though. I would guess from time of commencement of viewing, but yes you'd need clarification of that. I see your point!
Yeah it’s rare I have 3 hours to sit down in one setting BY MYSELF, uninterrupted. So I’d need to know what I’m getting into before paying. I mean even the most evil corporate a-holes Amazon give you 48 hours to finish watching a 90 minute movie. 6 hours feels a bit unreasonable to me. As does the lousy customer service
Hopefully a bootleg crops up on the Toobs sooner or later. I’ll give my money to their merch store instead
apparently there aaaarrggh! (conspicuous pirate noise) ways to hack streamed videos...its all gibberish to me but theres definitely ways to steal i mean borow i mean not pay for some tings innit me hearty.
Yeah the most obvious way I can think of is to screen capture the stream on the computer and upload that for all and sundry to enjoy. I wouldn’t do that myself, I’m happy to pay NMA or whomever. Even the Mill deserve payment for their efforts despite the lousy customer service and TOC.
I was thinking about every YouTube view these days earns a penny in copyright for someone. I reckon it’s mostly going to the record companies (see Rick Beato’s numerous rants on UMG copyright claims). I wonder how much of that ever gets to the bands/artists. I’d love to see artist be able to strike a deal with YouTube so they can earn their fair share
Yeah it’s rare I have 3 hours to sit down in one setting BY MYSELF, uninterrupted. So I’d need to know what I’m getting into before paying. I mean even the most evil corporate a-holes Amazon give you 48 hours to finish watching a 90 minute movie. 6 hours feels a bit unreasonable to me. As does the lousy customer service
Hopefully a bootleg crops up on the Toobs sooner or later. I’ll give my money to their merch store instead
apparently there aaaarrggh! (conspicuous pirate noise) ways to hack streamed videos...its all gibberish to me but theres definitely ways to steal i mean borow i mean not pay for some tings innit me hearty.
Yeah the most obvious way I can think of is to screen capture the stream on the computer and upload that for all and sundry to enjoy. I wouldn’t do that myself, I’m happy to pay NMA or whomever. Even the Mill deserve payment for their efforts despite the lousy customer service and TOC.
I was thinking about every YouTube view these days earns a penny in copyright for someone. I reckon it’s mostly going to the record companies (see Rick Beato’s numerous rants on UMG copyright claims). I wonder how much of that ever gets to the bands/artists. I’d love to see artist be able to strike a deal with YouTube so they can earn their fair share
mate dont even get me started on yootoob...ok one last time for my spleens sake...
so, in the first place it was a video sharing site but it soon became a vast beyond measure repository and resource for -what seemed like and still does- pretty much all the music ever released anywhere ever. all uploaded by the general public in the spirit of every other file sharing site on the web. i rememeber when i moved off the road and into my flat around 12 years ago how YT filled the (admittedly few) gaps in the catalogues of pirateable music available on The Pirate Bay, Mediafire Napster etc. all the tiny little bands stuff was there, all the artists with too small a fanbase to satisfy the seeding requirements of the torrent and other Peer2peer sites. i struggled with "in shreds" by the chameleons and the 12" version of Brave New World (both of which i have myself since uploaded in astonishing digitral quality). oh and for some reason "Our Summer" (All About Eve) was a bitch to get. but little else.
Then it all changed. I love Lady Gaga almost unconditionally but her licensing deal with VEVO was a big nail in the true spirit of YT. that and it being bought by Google...
Where Napster was stamped out of existence and The Pirate Bay was heavily criminalised (i believe the 3 original founders are still on the run from 7 year stretches in Sweden) yootoob' was suddenly a reputable and legal site with one major flaw: 98% of its content had been provided for sweet FA by the "illegal" file-sharing of the general public. for every "official" video at the top of a yt there is an entire page of content that Google are merrily charging people to view., that they did fuck all to aquire. its never as good quality as the original upload (unless you use certain tools like XDM download manager or Linux's Firefox YT extension -similar extensions for microsoft friendly browsers are pointless as YT spends a f**k of a lot of time and effort defeating the endless procession of new video grabbers, and they are NEVER up and working for long.)
ironically there are many instructional videos on YT explaining exactly how to "steal" streamed videos. Just saying...
Your screen recorder is a not too bad an idea but there is a way to isolate the url for the hosting site where the video is stored....apparently.
Personally i am happy to pay for the vid but only if i get5 an actual copy to keep in perpetuity. i am not spending an Ayrton Senna simply to rent a gig for less than a day! so when /if i have grabbed myself one so i'll PM you.
Re: New Model Army 40th anniversary gig
Posted: 16 Nov 2020, 18:54
by DJElectricDaddy
eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 01:11
Personally i am happy to pay for the vid but only if i get5 an actual copy to keep in perpetuity. i am not spending an Ayrton Senna simply to rent a gig for less than a day! so when /if i have grabbed myself one so i'll PM you.
Wholeheartedly agree with this. I’m sure their perspective is that this is the tenner (Ayrton Senna, love it, not heard that one before) a punter would spend on going to /watching the show live, which is not in perpetuity. But I think in light of modern day media distribution models a download-to-own option would be preferable.
Great rant though. Can’t disagree with you. Interesting the big media approach to YouTube as opposed to Napster/Pirate Bay. Rather than try to sue them out of existence they co-opted the platform and are using it for their own nefarious business. Obviously Google is a far more powerful and wealthier entity to go up against than Napster which explains the change of approach. Can’t beat em, join em and take our share of the spoils.
eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 01:11
Personally i am happy to pay for the vid but only if i get5 an actual copy to keep in perpetuity. i am not spending an Ayrton Senna simply to rent a gig for less than a day! so when /if i have grabbed myself one so i'll PM you.
Wholeheartedly agree with this. I’m sure their perspective is that this is the tenner (Ayrton Senna, love it, not heard that one before) a punter would spend on going to /watching the show live, which is not in perpetuity. But I think in light of modern day media distribution models a download-to-own option would be preferable.
agreed. also i find it hard to believe that they wont release the show on hard media at some point in the future as well. they arent backwards at coming forwards when it comes to making a few bob.
