Heartland

GC wrote: ↑20 Dec 2023, 07:27

H. Blackrose wrote: ↑19 Dec 2023, 23:42 That's not how recording contracts work. You can't get around them by simply releasing the material free of charge online. Every music video ends with a copyright statement that it belongs to the record company, which was conspicuously lacking from the Suzanne video. If this theory were true the Paris Riots stuff could also have been released for free online, not to mention every other new TSOM song of the last 30 years.

I wonder what the psychological compulsion is for people to insist that the WEA contract is still valid. As I've said before, it simply violates Occam's Razor - the simpler explanation (Von doesn't want to release anything) is perfectly satisfactory. My theory is it's a combination of resentment and conspiracy theory - people feel good about the idea that they've "seen through Von's lies".

"Psychological resentment, conscpiracy theories etc".... I think your being a little to serious. I thought we were having a light hearted discussion about whether there was a small possibility that AE may have been lying and there was possibly more at play. I now realise that the "smart arse" comment was nt just humoristic banter. Oh well to each his own.

Electrochrome wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023, 00:34
There is no mystery, he has been consistent in his response to "new album" questions for a long, long time.
(...)
He's definitely not crazy. He's the smartest guy in the room.

Electrochrome wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023, 00:34 I think we're all crazy to think he would make another album.

I don't believe there's any kind of contractual obligation out there that bars him from releasing new material, no way. SSV was 26 years ago. If there were such a blocker with Warner or whatever conglomerate, he would have plainly said so in interviews.

He just doesn't have to...he has enough money, he has a great weekend gig as do the other members.

He doesn't want to. In terms of payoff (not just money), going to the studio for months and months and keeping his guitarists from their other jobs is a tall ask. Factor in the perfectionism and having the pressure of doing the "definitive" version of dozens of "new" songs in the studio. Then promoting it (whatever that means these days), and just dealing with third parties for say, physical versions (vinyl, CD, bands cranking out cassettes again as a novelty, new merchandise), with absolutely no guarantee that any of this would lead to substantially more money than he nets every year and will continue to net until he just can't do it anymore.

He really nailed it, in terms of doing it "his way". Of course, all of us want "the new album" in ANY and ALL formats. But of course, he waited long enough that the technology has given us pretty much every new, recent show in better and better quality (including video) so folks make these "best" versions of new song mixes which is great. So we really do have new product. And of course, we have them live if they come to your town, and they go to a lot of towns.

There is no mystery, he has been consistent in his response to "new album" questions for a long, long time. He's definitely not crazy. He's the smartest guy in the room.

Planet Dave wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023, 10:42

Electrochrome wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023, 00:34 I think we're all crazy to think he would make another album.

I don't believe there's any kind of contractual obligation out there that bars him from releasing new material, no way. SSV was 26 years ago. If there were such a blocker with Warner or whatever conglomerate, he would have plainly said so in interviews.

He just doesn't have to...he has enough money, he has a great weekend gig as do the other members.

He doesn't want to. In terms of payoff (not just money), going to the studio for months and months and keeping his guitarists from their other jobs is a tall ask. Factor in the perfectionism and having the pressure of doing the "definitive" version of dozens of "new" songs in the studio. Then promoting it (whatever that means these days), and just dealing with third parties for say, physical versions (vinyl, CD, bands cranking out cassettes again as a novelty, new merchandise), with absolutely no guarantee that any of this would lead to substantially more money than he nets every year and will continue to net until he just can't do it anymore.

He really nailed it, in terms of doing it "his way". Of course, all of us want "the new album" in ANY and ALL formats. But of course, he waited long enough that the technology has given us pretty much every new, recent show in better and better quality (including video) so folks make these "best" versions of new song mixes which is great. So we really do have new product. And of course, we have them live if they come to your town, and they go to a lot of towns.

There is no mystery, he has been consistent in his response to "new album" questions for a long, long time. He's definitely not crazy. He's the smartest guy in the room.

the definitive last word on this dismal merry-go-round of consumerist longing, and far more eloquent than I could ever manage. Every time this sorry topic pops up from the same places in future, someone just link to your response and everyone can move on. Nice one Sir

headcleaner2k wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024, 19:40 given current trends, surely von realizes that AI will deliver a "new" Sisters album before he does

Being645 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 03:10 AI is not able to do a new Sisters album and never will be.

GC wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 10:21

Being645 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 03:10 AI is not able to do a new Sisters album and never will be.

I think the deprerssing thing is that if The Sisters play a song a live that was written by AI we would not recognise the difference.

Husek wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 15:33

GC wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 10:21

Being645 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 03:10 AI is not able to do a new Sisters album and never will be.

I think the deprerssing thing is that if The Sisters play a song a live that was written by AI we would not recognise the difference.

I don't think the new album with AI is dropping like that (new songs, new compositions), but I very much see people recording their own cover versions and then training a vocal modal to sing as Von would.

sultan2075 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 19:30 To be honest I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened already.

sultan2075 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 19:30

Husek wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 15:33

GC wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 10:21

I think the deprerssing thing is that if The Sisters play a song a live that was written by AI we would not recognise the difference.

I don't think the new album with AI is dropping like that (new songs, new compositions), but I very much see people recording their own cover versions and then training a vocal modal to sing as Von would.

To be honest I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened already.

Phil wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 22:10 I've no idea why he hasn't released an album, some musicians just can't be arsed with it all.

But I reckon he should allow a cheeky live album to be made available, a Live Here Now thingy perhaps. That would be a good way to earn a few quid for doing f**k all extra and it could be a good barometer of demand

Personally I think it'd get downloaded to buggery.

Frifor Gaffateip wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 10:12

Phil wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 22:10 I've no idea why he hasn't released an album, some musicians just can't be arsed with it all.

But I reckon he should allow a cheeky live album to be made available, a Live Here Now thingy perhaps. That would be a good way to earn a few quid for doing f**k all extra and it could be a good barometer of demand

Personally I think it'd get downloaded to buggery.

Sure, that sounds fair.
A live-album in a cd(jewel case), digi-pack release, or cd's in single cardboard sleeves.
Anyway I enjoyed them live, so I'm definitely looking forward to a attend new concerts.

Phil wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 10:17

Frifor Gaffateip wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 10:12

Phil wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 22:10 I've no idea why he hasn't released an album, some musicians just can't be arsed with it all.

But I reckon he should allow a cheeky live album to be made available, a Live Here Now thingy perhaps. That would be a good way to earn a few quid for doing f**k all extra and it could be a good barometer of demand

Personally I think it'd get downloaded to buggery.

Sure, that sounds fair.
A live-album in a cd(jewel case), digi-pack release, or cd's in single cardboard sleeves.
Anyway I enjoyed them live, so I'm definitely looking forward to a attend new concerts.

That does indeed sound lovely, who wouldn't lap that up, but I was thinking more those straighforward MP3/FLAC downloads sites. Pretty sure that band featuring Craig Adams and Simon Hinkler have released a couple of live gigs that way but I could be wrong.

Frifor Gaffateip wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 10:25
Agreed.
I'm just more enthusiastic when it comes to physical releases, got an old denon cd-player that still works. But streaming is a lot easier for most parts.

Phil wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 11:13

Frifor Gaffateip wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 10:25
Agreed.
I'm just more enthusiastic when it comes to physical releases, got an old denon cd-player that still works. But streaming is a lot easier for most parts.

For me that's the whole point of getting a new Sisters album, for that permanent connection to the band.

Electrochrome wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 13:44

Phil wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 11:13

Frifor Gaffateip wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 10:25
Agreed.
I'm just more enthusiastic when it comes to physical releases, got an old denon cd-player that still works. But streaming is a lot easier for most parts.

For me that's the whole point of getting a new Sisters album, for that permanent connection to the band.

Same here. I still buy CDs new and used (not in the numbers from way back when), especially of the bands I love. And I've lost digital files over time, but I've not lost a CD (unless it was truly lost), and you own it forever.

I would love anything, all of us would. As far as a live album, think about it from AE's perspective. Every show is on YouTube, the quality just gets better over time, the fans love it. He would have to take the time to sit down, run through X number of shows, pick the best version of the entire tour setlist, play around with the sound to get it right, get it consistent, work to package it up, and he'd know it wouldn't pull in much more cash than say, merchandise. And if they professionally record it, it'd be the same process. They really should (had) have a live album all this time, but at this point I think it's been delivered and I can't see a 65 year old AE being particularly motivated.

And btw, kudos to you for the Denon! Great machines.