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Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 08 Mar 2025, 12:51
by ruffers
Gary Numan is releasing a limited edition bobblehead to celebrate the anniversary of the release of Telekon.
https://numanstore-us.company.site/prod ... p731154526

Eldritch, you know it makes sense.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14
by Ocean Moves
A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
by ribbons69
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 10 Mar 2025, 11:30
by Ocean Moves
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.
Its not my favourite either - just sounds like somethng random a record company would do

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 10 Mar 2025, 14:42
by Husek
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.
Me neither, you can clearly hear where the tapes were cut and pasted together, I'm not against the idea of making a long train per se, but the final result they delivered is just...terrible.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 10 Mar 2025, 21:28
by Pista
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.
With you there.
It really lacks the immediacy & punch that Train has.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 10 Mar 2025, 21:30
by GC
Husek wrote: 10 Mar 2025, 14:42
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.
Me neither, you can clearly hear where the tapes were cut and pasted together, I'm not against the idea of making a long train per se, but the final result they delivered is just...terrible.
I always thought that the original post was tongue in cheek. Nobody seems to like Long Train and a recurring Visioin Thing misprint. (First and Last and Awlays?)

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 10 Mar 2025, 21:53
by Husek
GC wrote: 10 Mar 2025, 21:30
Husek wrote: 10 Mar 2025, 14:42
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10

I've never liked Long Train.
Me neither, you can clearly hear where the tapes were cut and pasted together, I'm not against the idea of making a long train per se, but the final result they delivered is just...terrible.
I always thought that the original post was tongue in cheek. Nobody seems to like Long Train and a recurring Visioin Thing misprint. (First and Last and Awlays?)
I mean, it was a joke, but we are very vocal about two things and we won't miss the opportunity to drop daily reminders about them:

-- How much Long Train Suck
-- How much You could be The One is an underrated gem.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 08:47
by MoBetaBlues
Husek wrote: 10 Mar 2025, 14:42
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.
Me neither, you can clearly hear where the tapes were cut and pasted together, I'm not against the idea of making a long train per se, but the final result they delivered is just...terrible.
I've never noticed the tape cut and paste in Long Train! When is it?

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 11:42
by mh
I like Long Train. 8)

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 12:55
by deirfiur
I like a long bath
mh wrote: Yesterday, 11:42 I like Long Train. 8)

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 14:36
by Husek
MoBetaBlues wrote: Yesterday, 08:47
Husek wrote: 10 Mar 2025, 14:42
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10

I've never liked Long Train.
Me neither, you can clearly hear where the tapes were cut and pasted together, I'm not against the idea of making a long train per se, but the final result they delivered is just...terrible.
I've never noticed the tape cut and paste in Long Train! When is it?
You could argue that the first 'cut' is around 0:48, but it's smoothed out by the vocals on top, which can honestly be seen as an aesthetic choice.

2:17 -> 2:19 is the real copy-cut, where there's a slight BPM change, the drum voicing is different, and you can clearly hear that the intro part belongs to a different studio session, maybe a different era altogether. At 2:19, the "normal-sized" train kicks in.

I think there's another cut later but I really don't feel like listening to the next 5 minutes of this version of Train.

For the record, I absolutely love Train, one of my favourite songs, especially the "modern" live version, I specifically dislike Long Train lol.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 16:56
by sultan2075
ribbons69 wrote: 09 Mar 2025, 00:10
Ocean Moves wrote: 08 Mar 2025, 21:14 A re-release of F & L & A on Vinyl, with Long Train added to the end of the track list, and various spelling mistakes
I've never liked Long Train.
I love Long Train, honestly. It's long, repetitive, got a groove. Right up my very specific alley.

Re: First and Last and Always 40th Anniversary: What Do You Expect?

Posted: 12 Mar 2025, 10:08
by MoBetaBlues
Husek wrote: Yesterday, 14:36
MoBetaBlues wrote: Yesterday, 08:47
Husek wrote: 10 Mar 2025, 14:42

Me neither, you can clearly hear where the tapes were cut and pasted together, I'm not against the idea of making a long train per se, but the final result they delivered is just...terrible.
I've never noticed the tape cut and paste in Long Train! When is it?
You could argue that the first 'cut' is around 0:48, but it's smoothed out by the vocals on top, which can honestly be seen as an aesthetic choice.

2:17 -> 2:19 is the real copy-cut, where there's a slight BPM change, the drum voicing is different, and you can clearly hear that the intro part belongs to a different studio session, maybe a different era altogether. At 2:19, the "normal-sized" train kicks in.

I think there's another cut later but I really don't feel like listening to the next 5 minutes of this version of Train.

For the record, I absolutely love Train, one of my favourite songs, especially the "modern" live version, I specifically dislike Long Train lol.
Thanks, i shall have to sit and listen to it properly!