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markfiend wrote:

Dark wrote:I thought it was because that girl's boyfriend/husband might be in the crowd.

That's what I'd heard too.

Dark wrote:I thought it was because that girl's boyfriend/husband might be in the crowd.

pikkrong wrote:

nodubmanshouts wrote:I've read that "Marian" was a piece of music/ style of music played by the band on the deck of The Titanic as the ship went down. If you watch the (insert personal opinion) movie Titanic, somebody mentions this. The lyrics to Marian make an awful lot of sense if this is related...

I believe "First And Last And Always" was a phrase used during Prohibition as a kind "Yeah, right" to any questions as to whether or not you'd consumed alcohol. I've no where it comes from, or its significance to the rest of the lyrics though...

food for thought

One strange thing came to my mind. One night, 9 years ago, I tippled with my friends at my home and listened to Sisters. Suddenly one of them asked: "What the f*** is that?" It was "Marian". The friend of mine, who asked it was an archaeology student, he had been on excavations on one Estonian island Saaremaa which lies in the Baltic sea, it's a place were men had been sailors since vikings era. My friend told that in this island, while they boozed with local drunkards, those men used to tootle accordion and sing a primitive song which had only 4 words "Miks jätsid mind, Mariaa-aa-naa?", i. e. "Why did you left me, Mariaa-aa-naa?" and the melody... was the same... "Marian"
It's quite impossible that those men have ever heard The Sisters Of Mercy. At first I thought, maybe it was an old sailors tune, then I start to believe my friend was just so drunken that mixed up everyhting... Now, reading the above post, I recall it again...

Amy_Eldritch wrote:Someone told me there is a complete german version of Marian out there...who knows?

And I find a mistake in the german translation..
Ohne deine Hilfe verlier´ ich mich in dieser Welt, not "Ort"..he he..

At fourteen years he started as a ship's boy
He was the youngest but already was a man
A man like a tree and strong as a bear
so he went over the sea for the first time

Refrain:
Her name was Mary-Ann and she was his ship
He kept her the faith which no one understood
There were so many ships, so beautifull and big
But the Mary-Ann wouldn't let go of him

As a sailor he had his 18 carat
and after the third journey he already was a mate
And every captain was after him
But to change was so terribly hard for him

(Refrain)

And when had become a coxswain one day
then he loved a girl with strawblond hair
he gave her his heart but she wasn't true to him
So he was on sea again soon, ahoi

(Refrain)

After every journey he swore "now I pay off"
He swore it as captain, but she became his grave
The Mary-Ann sunk on may 19th
in an orcane off the Hudson Bay

(Refrain)

Little_Sister wrote:@eotunun: I think there might really is a connection

I found a "problem" in the translation of the German verse:
Ich hoer dich rufen, Marian (I hear you calling Marian)
Kannst du mich schreien hoeren (Can you hear me calling?)

I think the second calling really shoud be a different word - since in the German he also uses a differnt word rufen/schreien...
but I´m not too sure what to use instead maybe crying?

eotunun wrote: To scream/to cry out loud is right on target.
Oh, and: Well spotted, LiSi!

Quiff Boy wrote:

markfiend wrote:"A Marian figure" probably means "a figure resembling Mary" i.e. the Virgin Mary.

yep, that is a recognised expression...

also, there's a whole tradition of roman catholic writing called "marian literature" - stories about the virgin mary...

T.S. Eliot’s poem, ‘Marina’, belongs to the group of poems which have been designated as “The Arial Poems” composed during 1927 and 1930. After his conversion to Anglicanism in 1927, Eliot began to write a new kind of poetry which “seems to represent a withdrawal from the outer world and an exploration of the inner life under the guidance of Christianity. “Published in 1930, Marian is Eliot’s touching personal poem. The poem explores the theme of paternity by focusing on the rediscovery of his lost daughter of William Shakespeare’s Pericles. Marian is the name of the daughter of Pericles who has not seen her right from birth as he was running away from his enemy facing miseries and threats on land and sea. It is in Act V of Shakespeare’s play, Pericles, Prince of Tyre that Pericles finds out that the dancer and singer performing before him is none else but his daughter. The dancing girl reminds him of his wife Thaisa, he talks to the girl and is overjoyed to find that Marian is his daughter and her mother had died while giving birth to her.

Quis hic locus, quae region, quae mundi plaga?

At the start, the poem, which can be read in full here, quotes two lines from the Latin language, which forms the epigraph of the poem, These lines of the epigraph are a quotation from Hercules Furens (line 1138) composed by Lucious the Younger Seneca (c. 5 B.C. – A.D. 65). The Latin quotation states that awakening from a spell of madness Hercules asks, “What place is this, what land, what quarter of the globe?”
...

“Boat imagery dominates this poem. The rhythms too are wave-like. Grace is truly there in the poem through a jarring note is struck by the section touching on death. Yet the victory over death is decisive. This time ‘resigning’ life is to bring totally positive anticipation of a new life. The experience is close to what we get in parts of ‘Burnt Norton’ the first of Four Questets.’

Shall I expound whore to you? sure I shall;
I 'll give their perfect character. They are first,
Sweetmeats which rot the eater; in man's nostrils
Poison'd perfumes. They are cozening alchemy;
Shipwrecks in calmest weather. What are whores!
Cold Russian winters, that appear so barren,
As if that nature had forgot the spring.
They are the true material fire of hell:
Worse than those tributes i' th' Low Countries paid,
Exactions upon meat, drink, garments, sleep,
Ay, even on man's perdition, his sin.
They are those brittle evidences of law,
Which forfeit all a wretched man's estate
For leaving out one syllable. What are whores!
They are those flattering bells have all one tune,
At weddings, and at funerals. Your rich whores
Are only treasuries by extortion fill'd,
And emptied by curs'd riot. They are worse,
Worse than dead bodies which are begg'd at gallows,
And wrought upon by surgeons, to teach man
Wherein he is imperfect. What's a whore!
She 's like the guilty counterfeited coin,
Which, whosoe'er first stamps it, brings in trouble
All that receive it.