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Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 12:19
by markfiend
Oops, yes. There is a reference in Suetonius:
As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he [Claudius] expelled them [the Jews] from Rome
Probably not even about Jesus though. Chrestus was quite a common slave name, and note he says "Jews" not "Christians".
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 14:15
by MadameButterfly
Dan wrote:MadameButterfly wrote:i'm sorry but i'm going back to the heaven question.
where is heaven exactly?
It's in another dimension.
except the drinking of wine & other drugs taken cause what they say happened in the bible, they were more fuckedup most the time, separating oceans & that, or just explaining evolution. and then the story about God giving his only Son to walk the earth & die for our sins for us. what kind of father does that? and also does that mean that people can go on killing & violence can go forth cause anyone can just accept the Son into their lives & they will be forgiven in the name of...?
Maybe you shouldn't take every word in the Bible literally. I believe there's some truth in it, yes, like I believe there was a man called Jesus (just a mortal man, a wise man, a preacher if you like), but as for how much truth is in the things attributed to him, we can't know which parts are the truth, which parts have been embellished, and which parts have been made up. I think if Jesus could come back and see everything that's been done in his name he'd be f**king furious.
another dimension. and how many dimensions are there then?
no i was taught not to take the Bible literally. it was taught that we should use the Bible as guide lines in our own lives, to interpret it that way.
but like you say Dan, if we don't know what parts to believe or what to, i would agree if Jesus came back everything done in His name or any other religious god's name, He would be furious & probably very sad. but man has f**ked it up ourselves.
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 14:29
by MadameButterfly
DeWinter wrote:MadameButterfly wrote:i'm sorry but i'm going back to the heaven question.
where is heaven exactly? when i was young and was forced to go to church they said heaven was out there & then flapped their hands into the air. then i got older and started to look at what was out there >>>> which planet is it near? and those who believe and go to heaven aren't they in their spirit form taking away all the natural human functions?
except the drinking of wine & other drugs taken cause what they say happened in the bible, they were more fuckedup most the time, separating oceans & that, or just explaining evolution. and then the story about God giving his only Son to walk the earth & die for our sins for us. what kind of father does that? and also does that mean that people can go on killing & violence can go forth cause anyone can just accept the Son into their lives & they will be forgiven in the name of...?
It's another dimension that you have to die to enter. Strangely dying wasn't a pre-requisite of many of the other religions, you could go to Tarturus to rescue a loved one, or go on a sea voyage to Hy Brasail, Annwn, Avalon etc.
As for Jesus..there's Roman references to Nero having the leader of the Christians put to death to distract from his problems in Rome, and someone similar mentioned as a former follower of John the Baptist who followed a far less "blood and thunder" mode of preaching. Reading the Sermons on the Mount/Plains, I have to wonder why if he hated homosexuality, people eating shrimp, pork, etc he didn't mention it in public rather than basically telling everyone to be a bit nicer to each other..
again another dimension but have to be dead to enter. but surely there are more than one then? in other religions the spiritual dimension seems quite interesting. that's just the thing, if you look at the different religions it's amazing how much wider you open your mind in thought.
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 14:47
by 6FeetOver
markfiend wrote:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
So G*d's a Gorgon! Ah, that explains a lot.
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 14:53
by markfiend
MadameButterfly wrote:if you look at the different religions it's amazing how much wider you open your mind in thought.
I'm all for having an open mind, but not so wide that my brain falls out
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 15:10
by million voices
I don't want to bring the whole discussion down to the common after we have been hearing all the academic, but I do think you get a lovely description of Heaven in "The lovely Bones"
On a different topic is Pilate responsibles for pilates?
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 15:16
by MadameButterfly
markfiend wrote:MadameButterfly wrote:if you look at the different religions it's amazing how much wider you open your mind in thought.
I'm all for having an open mind, but not so wide that my brain falls out
wear a helmet or tin-foiled hat? we need to explore the brain so keep an open mind.
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 18:14
by paint it black
SINsister wrote:markfiend wrote:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
So G*d's a Gorgon! Ah, that explains a lot.
Gorgon's alive
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 22:29
by Pista
paint it black wrote:SINsister wrote:markfiend wrote:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
So G*d's a Gorgon! Ah, that explains a lot.
Gorgon's alive
Yep.
But might be having a bad hair day
Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 22:45
by markfiend
We all know that Gorgons have snakes for hair, but what about armpits? I mean, snakes biting the top of your roll-on?
(I'm sure this is a Terry Pratchett joke but I can't remember from where or the exact wording.)
Posted: 19 Oct 2011, 08:57
by Izzy HaveMercy
markfiend wrote:
(I'm sure this is a Terry Pratchett joke but I can't remember from where or the exact wording.)
The question seldom addressed is where Medusa had snakes. Underarm hair is an even more embarassing problem when it keeps biting the top of the deodorant bottle. -- (Terry Pratchett, Soul Music)
IZ.
Posted: 19 Oct 2011, 17:10
by 6FeetOver
markfiend wrote:We all know that Gorgons have snakes for hair, but what about armpits?
...and what about...erm...
elsewhere? *Cough* Urff.
Posted: 24 Oct 2011, 16:46
by MadameButterfly
@ Sinnie ~ mwahahaha!
how i have missed you! Mark doesn't know how to answer that one!
and then this..
markfiend wrote:DeWinter wrote:...a toilet roll cover in the shape of a flamenco dancer...
My gran had one of those too. Bizarre.
no the most bizarre thingy is worse. remember or did you know those who used to have a knitted toliet seat? now that was bizarre &
and then why i searched for this thread...
we have a brand new section within HL for Tours in 2012!
better not plan our meet-up near
their dates right.
Posted: 25 Oct 2011, 19:37
by Pista
Posted: 31 Oct 2011, 12:19
by Pista
Posted: 01 Nov 2011, 16:32
by DeWinter
MadameButterfly wrote:
markfiend wrote:DeWinter wrote:...a toilet roll cover in the shape of a flamenco dancer...
My gran had one of those too. Bizarre.
no the most bizarre thingy is worse. remember or did you know those who used to have a knitted toliet seat? now that was bizarre &
I do remember relatives with them, yes. I was again never convinced of the hygiene of them. You can wipe a toilet seat clean, but those things could harbour all sorts of nastiness! I think they're purchased by the same people who cover the legs of chairs and refer to chicken having "white meat" and "drumsticks"..
Posted: 04 Nov 2011, 03:44
by Dan
Type
do a barrel roll into Google.
Also try
tilt
Posted: 04 Nov 2011, 08:10
by Pista
Posted: 04 Nov 2011, 09:46
by markfiend
They'll be making Tracey Emin's bed next.
Posted: 04 Nov 2011, 10:25
by Pista
markfiend wrote:They'll be making Tracey Emin's bed next.
I had the exact same thought when I read the news story
Posted: 06 Nov 2011, 21:07
by Pista
Posted: 10 Nov 2011, 11:49
by Pista
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 16:37
by DeWinter
This did strike me as rather funny. When even Mail readers call bullsh!t on it's articles you know they're in trouble..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html
My favourite is the organic grocer who pays so little his workers couldn't afford to buy his goods being astonished only workers from poor foreign countries will work for him with any enthusiasm. Followed by the hotel manager amazed people actually want to have a life.
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 17:08
by markfiend
Was it Henry Ford who said something along the lines of "If you're making a product your employees can't afford, you're in trouble"?
And this guy is producing groceries, as opposed to a car!
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 17:43
by DeWinter
markfiend wrote:Was it Henry Ford who said something along the lines of "If you're making a product your employees can't afford, you're in trouble"?
And this guy is producing groceries, as opposed to a car!
Indeed it was, and great common sense it showed. Quite who thought reducing wages to subsistence level and relying on limitless credit to provide the discretionary spending was sustainable for any length of time I don't know.
