The Sexual Orientation Regulations

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One argument I hear a lot is "Gay parents will raise gay children".

Because of course, straight parents always raise straight children.

[canon docre]

One argument I hear a lot is "Gay parents will raise gay children".

Because of course, straight parents always raise straight children.

That's such a bollocks, isn't it?
With an adopting couple one can be sure that they at least want the kid. On the contrary to these sub-par lifeforms that spawn kids like rabbits and being naturally overcharged bury nine of them after birth in flower pots. (it just happend here....)

To get over discrimination of kids adopted by gay couples best remedy would be to have a lot of gay couples adopting children so that the people get used to it.

[Maisey]

I believe gay adoption should be as accpetable as straight adoption, so long as the family is stable. So long as the child has a well rounded upbringing.

I do see the point about a child needing a 'mother figure'. But I think a homosexual couple maternal enough to wish to adopt wouldn't be the cold and stern fathers of popular imagery.

Would female gay couples choose sperm banked fathers over adoption does anyone think?

And who voted for laws FOR descrimination, I think they should come forward and at least explain. We have already established that everyone has the right to an opinion at least...

[Planet Dave]

Live and let live, ffs!

That said, I've a couple of mates who are good with colours, and they're scumbags!

[Izzy HaveMercy]

What about what they do openly? Being gay is just as much about feelings as heterosexuality. I know plenty of people who don't care about gays but are disgusted at the sight of seeing two men kiss out in the open like straight couples can be seen doing all over the place. Strangely enough, they have no gripes when two women do the same, I wonder why...

Because it's DAMN HOT it is!



IZ.

[Izzy HaveMercy]

Gay people don't give you lung cancer!

OR DO THEY?

I suppose it depends on whether or not they smoke in public places.....

Or drive a car for that matter...

Not going to whine about smoking bans in this thread, but there is a real pan-european witch-hunt happening against smokers, while it is clearly proven that a lot of people die because of environmental pollution.

You drive to the pub by car, you inhale a whole packet of Marlboro-worth of gases while you wait till the traffic light turns green again,...

Ah, no point, really *stumbles off*

IZ.

[DeWinter]

So? It shouldn't be an issue. I don't particularly care one way or another whether sexuality is a "choice" or not. It's irrelevant to the issue at hand. Even were it to be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that sexuality is a choice I would disagree (quite profoundly) with discrimination on the grounds of sexuality.

This is the second time I've had to point out to you what I actually said in a "debate" with you. You said "Evidence" decided between one sincerely held belief and another, in this case religeon and gay equality, I pointed out that neither side has much in the way of evidence for their way of life that is credible.

Proof is for alcohol and mathematics. I didn't say proof, I said evidence. You know, like the stuff they bring up in courts. And no, "I get a warm fuzzy feeling" doesn't count.

Semantics and sarcasm doesn't count as an argument either, outside of the 6th Form Common Room.

That's not quite the case. Should I have to prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist? They're the ones making a claim (and quite frequently standing in the street exhorting others to believe that claim) without giving any reason to accept that claim.

And again, the same thing could be said on both sides. All knowing, seeing, incorporeal spirit? Weird. Sexual proclivity that makes no sense according to nature and procreation? Also weird. Both make claims to be normal despite there being plenty of arguments to the contrary. When they collide, as in this case they have, which trumps which, the right to one way of life, or another?

(Interestingly a man putting his willy up a woman's bottom doesn't seem to faze them so much. I wonder why?)

Because there isn't a large pressure group calling it a way of life and demanding everyone accept those who openly practise it, that's why.
I suspect it's also not as prevalent or practised ,outside of porn movies. It was also illegal long after anal sex between men was legalised, despite the health risks being the same for whatever gender on the receiving end, for that very reason most likely.

[itnAklipse]

DeWinter makes many good points.

As for what it comes to religion/God, most people's arguments on God are so shallow that they don't really deserve comment...read Kierkegaard or anyone that makes sense about God and not the teachings of your theology teacher or what you read from priests of organized religions. Organized religions are about control, and the father figure idea of God is about control. i may talk about God but i guarantee it has nothing to do with whatever you have ever thought about God.

Not being bigoted, btw, is a luxury reserved for people who believe in absolutely nothing.

What it comes to evidence i'll bite the bullet and say this: no one has ever, never never ever, absolutely never, shown to me that truth, and reality, are something that can be proven in a court of law. Reality equals experience through observation and perception and awareness. Reality doesn't equal hard objective facts, because facts are the external manifestation of reality.

[markfiend]

This is the second time I've had to point out to you what I actually said in a "debate" with you. You said "Evidence" decided between one sincerely held belief and another, in this case religeon and gay equality, I pointed out that neither side has much in the way of evidence for their way of life that is credible.

OK, I misconstrued what you said. I'm sorry. I concede the point.

Semantics and sarcasm doesn't count as an argument either, outside of the 6th Form Common Room.

Touché.

That's not quite the case. Should I have to prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist? They're the ones making a claim (and quite frequently standing in the street exhorting others to believe that claim) without giving any reason to accept that claim.

And again, the same thing could be said on both sides. All knowing, seeing, incorporeal spirit? Weird. Sexual proclivity that makes no sense according to nature and procreation? Also weird. Both make claims to be normal despite there being plenty of arguments to the contrary. When they collide, as in this case they have, which trumps which, the right to one way of life, or another?

OK, yes, I misread your post. Again, I concede and apologise.

(Interestingly a man putting his willy up a woman's bottom doesn't seem to faze them so much. I wonder why?)

Because there isn't a large pressure group calling it a way of life and demanding everyone accept those who openly practise it, that's why.
I suspect it's also not as prevalent or practised ,outside of porn movies. It was also illegal long after anal sex between men was legalised, despite the health risks being the same for whatever gender on the receiving end, for that very reason most likely.

We-e-e-e-e-ll, I'm not so sure about that. Things I've read about the AIDS pandemic in sub-Saharan Africa (where about 11% of the population is HIV positive) suggest that one contributing factor to the spread of HIV in those countries is the prevalence of heterosexual anal sex used as a method of contraception, particularly by prostitutes.

Now why, you may wonder, aren't these women using condoms? Oh, wait, the Christians and the Muslims won't distribute them...

[itnAklipse]

Well, i'll have lunch any day with either a fundamentalist muslim or christian than with someone who's motto in life is "do whatever feels good", though i probably have very little in common with them.

Anal sex per se is not the problem, i'm sure health risks are minimal if one doesn't practice it every day and twice on sunday, "gay lifestyle" and culture and its promotion are the problem. As it is, it's subversive and degenerative and those who have created the culture and promoted it know it full well. It is only people who have bought in to their propaganda lock stock and barrel that don't realize it because their lives have been emptied of all purpose and meaning (sorry if that sounds harsh).

i just saw a movie from the 60s that made me sick to my stomach but nevermind that.

[Planet Dave]

I never realised this place was actually a forum for manic street preachers. Silly me.

[DeWinter]

markfiend:
You're the only person I've come across on the internet able to concede a point graciously.
You even refrained from pointing out that I attacked you using sarcasm with sarcasm..

[Planet Dave]

markfiend:
You're the only person I've come across on the internet able to concede a point graciously.

It's been said before. Me? I just think he's a crap arguer.

[boudicca]

i may talk about God but i guarantee it has nothing to do with whatever you have ever thought about God.

Umm... do you mind?

What do you know of the ideas of God held by other members of this forum? Are you privy to some enlightenment which us mindless drones can't grasp?

[markfiend]

markfiend:
You're the only person I've come across on the internet able to concede a point graciously.
You even refrained from pointing out that I attacked you using sarcasm with sarcasm..

Well, it made me laugh.

Umm... do you mind?

What do you know of the ideas of God held by other members of this forum? Are you privy to some enlightenment which us mindless drones can't grasp?

I think you're forgetting that our itnAklipse is a mind-reader.

[MadameButterfly]

Or drive a car for that matter...

Not going to whine about smoking bans in this thread, but there is a real pan-european witch-hunt happening against smokers, while it is clearly proven that a lot of people die because of environmental pollution.

You drive to the pub by car, you inhale a whole packet of Marlboro-worth of gases while you wait till the traffic light turns green again,...

Ah, no point, really *stumbles off*

IZ.

Very good point caller! Although I agree not home in this thread but on that wave-length I'm 100% behind your statement!

We-e-e-e-e-ll, I'm not so sure about that. Things I've read about the AIDS pandemic in sub-Saharan Africa (where about 11% of the population is HIV positive) suggest that one contributing factor to the spread of HIV in those countries is the prevalence of heterosexual anal sex used as a method of contraception, particularly by prostitutes.

Now why, you may wonder, aren't these women using condoms? Oh, wait, the Christians and the Muslims won't distribute them...

Gateway....thank you Mark! The things I know about the AIDS in South Africa (where the population infected is probably 30% ~ don't quote me ~ could even be a bigger percentage) more profound in the black community. The most disturbing factor is that in the prision's namely in Cape Town, criminals are going there for whatever criminal offence but actually what happens within the prisions is a hell. Gang members rape newbies as everyone has to be in a gang - those inside prision rules between the mates - without any protection, thus AIDS is passed on to almost everyone. That's the start of the horror as the government doesn't do anything about it. The government is corrupt enough to keep their own people naive to the facts of AIDS. So the lacking of condoms is causing a whole generation gap that is dying off as I type. Should we blame religion or the government? Just make sure YOU never go to a S.A. prision as it will be a death sentence.

[markfiend]

Yes, I do know that Thabo Mbeki was for a long time denying any link between HIV and AIDS.

[boudicca]

Yes, I do know that Thabo Mbeki was for a long time denying any link between HIV and AIDS.

I thought he was still holding on to that one...

[nick the stripper]

i may talk about God but i guarantee it has nothing to do with whatever you have ever thought about God.

Umm... do you mind?

What do you know of the ideas of God held by other members of this forum? Are you privy to some enlightenment which us mindless drones can't grasp?

Through her posts, itnAKlipse appears to be one of those people who read a few books and then they think they know everything.

[Badlander]

Through her posts, itnAKlipse appears to be one of those people who read a few books and then they think they know everything.

I have nooooooooo idea what makes you think that.

[markfiend]

Yes, I do know that Thabo Mbeki was for a long time denying any link between HIV and AIDS.

I thought he was still holding on to that one...

Could be.

[boudicca]

Yes, I do know that Thabo Mbeki was for a long time denying any link between HIV and AIDS.

I thought he was still holding on to that one...

Could be.

Depressing, innit? When someone in a position of power and influence fritters it away on crackpot ideas.

Let's all be glad it doesn't happen often!

[GC]

i may talk about God but i guarantee it has nothing to do with whatever you have ever thought about God.

Umm... do you mind?

What do you know of the ideas of God held by other members of this forum? Are you privy to some enlightenment which us mindless drones can't grasp?

Through her posts, itnAKlipse appears to be one of those people who read a few books and then they think they know everything.

Is itnAklipse a women.... No woman has ever read that many books

[GC]

@Boudicca : Why have you got Matt Goss as your Avatar. Bros fan were you?

[lazarus corporation]

Well, i'll have lunch any day with either a fundamentalist muslim or christian than with someone who's motto in life is "do whatever feels good", though i probably have very little in common with them.

Anal sex per se is not the problem, i'm sure health risks are minimal if one doesn't practice it every day and twice on sunday, "gay lifestyle" and culture and its promotion are the problem. As it is, it's subversive and degenerative and those who have created the culture and promoted it know it full well. It is only people who have bought in to their propaganda lock stock and barrel that don't realize it because their lives have been emptied of all purpose and meaning (sorry if that sounds harsh).

i just saw a movie from the 60s that made me sick to my stomach but nevermind that.

I guess it's only people who have bought into anti-gay propaganda lock, stock and barrel who believe that all gay people are hedonists whose motto in life is "do whatever feels good".

Not being bigoted, btw, is a luxury reserved for people who believe in absolutely nothing.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's a completely empty and meaningless soundbite, much like those which Tony Blair utters.