Heartland

don't dream of Italy.....come here

I Wouldn't Join Any Club that Would Have Me as a Member

Spigel wrote:I Wouldn't Join Any Club that Would Have Me as a Member

maybe you're not so bad as you think

Spigel wrote:I Wouldn't Join Any Club that Would Have Me as a Member

One of my favourite quotes that

Not religious myself, on the atheist side of agnostic I think, but I can see why some people find they need a religion. And if they're cool with it, and don't go to the extremist side of believing, I don't see why there should be any problem with that.

I know for certain that some people believe, but they only have faith in what they believe in.

Who's in the stronger position?

Prove it

You don't know anything for certain other than 'cogito ergo sum'. You could be a brain in a vat being fed illusory sense-data for some unknown purpose. </the matrix>

I think "The Gauntlet" has been well and truly thrown down there, Andrew!

Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. I can live with a bit of epistemic uncertainty.

boudicca wrote:I think "The Gauntlet" has been well and truly thrown down there, Andrew!

It has, and very well too.

I'll need to not be sitting at a desk at work (if, indeed, I am) before I conjure a thoughtful yet witty response!

Obviousman wrote:

Spigel wrote:I Wouldn't Join Any Club that Would Have Me as a Member

One of my favourite quotes that

Not religious myself, on the atheist side of agnostic I think, but I can see why some people find they need a religion. And if they're cool with it, and don't go to the extremist side of believing, I don't see why there should be any problem with that.

Sorry Z. but i think you don't understand what agnostic is

markfiend wrote:Prove it

You don't know anything for certain other than 'cogito ergo sum'. You could be a brain in a vat being fed illusory sense-data for some unknown purpose. </the matrix>

Mark more folk need to translate what "cogito ergo sum" means.......
.......translated it means:" i think and i am"

markfiend wrote:Prove it

You don't know anything for certain other than 'cogito ergo sum'. You could be a brain in a vat being fed illusory sense-data for some unknown purpose. </the matrix>

I can no more prove it than you can prove that there is a 'me' asking you to.

I'm either giving the vat theory credence because I'm disillusioned with the real world or dis illusion IS the real world. Sorry, bad pun but I couldn't resist.

Maybe I could phrase it as "I know for certain that I think I know for certain....."

i think really that the folkks need to believe in something.....someone believe in himself...someone else believe in something great....but all of them need respect

once a Catholic...


... and practising, suits me, now the rest of you can get on with it

Ocean Moves wrote:

SINsister wrote:I don't really believe in much of anything. I'm an atheist, but I adore the "trappings" of religion. Walked around quite a few lovely medieval churches whilst on my holibobs, and even lit a candle in my mom's memory in "Shakespeare's Church" (Holy Trinity) in Stratford-Upon-Avon last week... *Shrug*

Welcome to the 21st Century.

I'm off to http://www.venetian.com/ in Macau; I hear it's beautiful

*Shrug*

-No thanks! Not all that interested. I'll stick with the 13th and thereabouts, thanks...

-I'd much rather see the real thing.

"Reality" is an illusion. Discuss.

SINsister wrote:"Reality" is an illusion. Discuss.

I met a traveller from an antique land
His skin looked like such a pretty emerald
The sky melted as a face on the breeze
I've never seen such bloody tears
Shed as joy over the evening sunrise
And the world watches us turn


...no, I don't know how I can make such crap up, especially when I've not even drunk anything. Oh well. There's your reality, your surreality, and everything inbetween.

"Heartland" is a delusion. Discuss.

Dark wrote:

SINsister wrote:"Reality" is an illusion. Discuss.

I met a traveller from an antique land
His skin looked like such a pretty emerald
The sky melted as a face on the breeze
I've never seen such bloody tears
Shed as joy over the evening sunrise
And the world watches us turn


...no, I don't know how I can make such crap up, especially when I've not even drunk anything. Oh well. There's your reality, your surreality, and everything inbetween.

spoken with a wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command

James Blast wrote:"Heartland" is a delusion. Discuss.

life is a delusion......next

Thank you for noticing. I just took the first line of that poem and went from there, writing as I thought.
I'm not sure if this says more about my mind's thought processes which should probably remain unexplored, or my unoriginality at having to rip off Shelley.

I feel like I've had a contusion...


...but I digress...

Dark wrote:Thank you for noticing. I just took the first line of that poem and went from there, writing as I thought.
I'm not sure if this says more about my mind's thought processes which should probably remain unexplored, or my unoriginality at having to rip off Shelley.

It's a tried and tested technique, and not to be sneered at, especially around these parts

Can we have a surreality derailment? Nobody would notice...

lazarus corporation wrote:

Dark wrote:Thank you for noticing. I just took the first line of that poem and went from there, writing as I thought.
I'm not sure if this says more about my mind's thought processes which should probably remain unexplored, or my unoriginality at having to rip off Shelley.

It's a tried and tested technique, and not to be sneered at, especially around these parts

Thank you, Laz. If I put that to music at some point, I'll make sure to send you it. You never know, I have one person collecting everything I release.. one day maybe it can be more.