Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 23:14
SINsister wrote:Anytime, man.
SINsister wrote:Anytime, man.
That's a rather bad explanation of people ganging up and choosing someone more or less arbitrarily and then beating him/her to pulp, just because of a different look. It's the same with skinheads in Eastern Germany. No matter how underprivileged and enraged you might feel, you cannot just take it out on someone weaker than you. No excuse for such behaviour ever.Syberberg wrote: It also seems to be something that happens whenever you cram too many people into too small a space and when the gap between the haves and the have nots widens, with a growing number of have-nots.
Not just in the US. Perhaps I was a bit unclear -- I meant to point out that we have failed already in that regard. Now how can it be fixed?SINsister wrote:I dunno where you live, nowayjose, but here in the U.S., we already do.nowayjose wrote:That's something that definitely has to be addressed or we will have whole ghettos patrolled by chimps with sticks (or knives, guns for that matter).
I remember t'other was defo on a Friday night and was a wee 2 floor club up a flight of stairs, just outside of the Cleveland Centre (near the old Our Price Record shop). I'm going back to 1991-1992Syberberg wrote:Blazes was Thursday and Saturday, The Gemini Thursdays and the upstairs/downstairs was The Arena.Big Si wrote:Wasn't Blazes on a Saturday? I remember there was another Middlesbrough club night, but I can't remember the name of it! It were House music downstairs and metal-goth-indie upstairs.Syberberg wrote: Quite right, back when I was living in the Northeast, the 2 clubs I frequented, Blazes, in Middlesborough, and The Gemini, in Hartlepool, the bouncers enjoyed the "alternative" nights as there was never any trouble. Except from random trendies who arrived with the specific purpose of causing trouble.
Where did I say I excused that kind of behaviour? I did not and it's a perfectly valid explanation (and an explanation is not an excuse, BTW) given that this kind of behaviour is far more prevalent and, far more likely to occur, in urban areas than rural ones.nowayjose wrote:That's a rather bad explanation of people ganging up and choosing someone more or less arbitrarily and then beating him/her to pulp, just because of a different look. It's the same with skinheads in Eastern Germany. No matter how underprivileged and enraged you might feel, you cannot just take it out on someone weaker than you. No excuse for such behaviour ever.Syberberg wrote: It also seems to be something that happens whenever you cram too many people into too small a space and when the gap between the haves and the have nots widens, with a growing number of have-nots.
That's deffo not The Arena then. I never went out on Friday night in Boro, so I can't help ya on that one mate And it's been nearly 10 years since I wandered around Boro, the map on my head is getting a bit faulty.Big Si wrote:I remember t'other was defo on a Friday night and was a wee 2 floor club up a flight of stairs, just outside of the Cleveland Centre (near the old Our Price Record shop). I'm going back to 1991-1992Syberberg wrote:Blazes was Thursday and Saturday, The Gemini Thursdays and the upstairs/downstairs was The Arena.Big Si wrote: Wasn't Blazes on a Saturday? I remember there was another Middlesbrough club night, but I can't remember the name of it! It were House music downstairs and metal-goth-indie upstairs.
I agree, it would seem that both our governments and corporations have become borderline sociopathic in their behavioural patterns. I'm sure I read an article on this subject recently somewhere on the net. Now if only I could remember where...SINsister wrote:"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
Reminds me of the groups in power today. And how can one possibly fight against that, through nonviolence, when the so-called humans "in charge" aren't even operating on a human level anymore?
<wry chuckle> True. But the mark of a sociopath, and a psychopath as well, is the almost complete lack of emotional connection to other people and a total lack of a conscience. Which can neatly describe a machine.SINsister wrote:Hehehe. But the Terminator wasn't a "sociopath" - he was a machine.
...of course, which is why I used it/"him" as an example. I'm well-versed in psych and the DSM-IV; I also studied criminology at uni.Syberberg wrote:<wry chuckle> True. But the mark of a sociopath, and a psychopath as well, is the almost complete lack of emotional connection to other people and a total lack of a conscience. Which can neatly describe a machine.SINsister wrote:Hehehe. But the Terminator wasn't a "sociopath" - he was a machine.
The Terminator is a perfect example. My psych education started at college and then I persued my own studies, so I have no formal qualifications, but I've read a lot and observed a lot.SINsister wrote: ...of course, which is why I used it/"him" as an example. I'm well-versed in psych and the DSM-IV; I also studied criminology at uni.
a) We're so not living in "tribes" anymore.EvilBastard wrote:What's the difference between "I've beaten your tribe in battle, now you are my slave" and "You have transgressed the laws of my tribe, now you must work for no pay as punishment"? Nothing significant, surely.SINsister wrote:WOW. *Backs away slowly*EvilBastard wrote:Nothing wrong with slavery per se - it has been a staple of human society since the beginning, and is the classic form of punishment for defeated tribes.
Er... Who knows what were things like at the "dawn of time" ?canon docre wrote:In criminal science it is considered a fact that men are more violent than women in every society and since the dawn of time.
True. And indescribably depressing.markfiend wrote:Whether men are "naturally" more violent than women or not, we like to kid ourselves that we have evolved beyond the sort of petty tribalism whereby a gang of youths can beat one person to death and another not far from death, just for looking different.
This case shows just how far we still have to go.
Nature is just one side of the medal. There're many socio-cultural factors that lead to male violence like f.ex. absent fathers, family violence, child abuse, aggressive role models in the mass media, different educational emphasis, etc pp.markfiend wrote:Whether men are "naturally" more violent than women or not
My sentiments also. I guess it is that global family thing.Pista wrote:It's really upset me more than I thought.
I don't know them from adam & i am finding myself in tears on my balcony
Most of the dialogue here seems to be analytical & many people have many different opinions.silentNate wrote:Using terms like 'chav' and 'wigger' does not suggest any great intellectual thought or argument. I also find it interesting that 'itnAklipse' would, "want the social structure of ancient Rome" as it is obvious to anyone bundling wood to start a fire that he is a fascist.
Whilst I feel bad for the poor girl who is dead I find little humanity in many of the responses here.