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Debi wrote:

Debi wrote:

LouLou wrote: it is, isn't it? goes to show that mr.e is perfectly capable of giving good interviews...when he wants to

hey - he's a bloke - they'll be good when they want to

actually i should have added "and when theres something in it for them"

hmm... i wonder what kind of incentive it would take to get our paramount leader to utter a tad more than monosyllables (and/or his usual cliche of "we'll have a record out soon") in his future interviews...

LouLou wrote:

Debi wrote:

Debi wrote: hey - he's a bloke - they'll be good when they want to

actually i should have added "and when theres something in it for them"

hmm... i wonder what kind of incentive it would take to get our paramount leader to utter a tad more than monosyllables (and/or his usual cliche of "we'll have a record out soon") in his future interviews...

OMG don't give me ideas. oh too late

Debi wrote:

LouLou wrote:

Debi wrote: actually i should have added "and when theres something in it for them"

hmm... i wonder what kind of incentive it would take to get our paramount leader to utter a tad more than monosyllables (and/or his usual cliche of "we'll have a record out soon") in his future interviews...

OMG don't give me ideas. oh too late

oh no - not nasty thoughts LouLou!!!

Debi wrote:oh no - not nasty thoughts LouLou!!!

fairy nuff... would these do?

LouLou wrote:

Debi wrote:oh no - not nasty thoughts LouLou!!!

fairy nuff... would these do?

oh yes perleasy!!!

LouLou wrote:
hmm... i wonder what kind of incentive it would take to get our paramount leader to utter a tad more than monosyllables (and/or his usual cliche of "we'll have a record out soon") in his future interviews...

A big pile of money.

Liked the "even good" bit. Hope it won't be getting to his head..

That interview suggests some very specific reasons for the lack of family contact. He must have a reason for believeing that they were responsible for the burns. Maybe that tells us a lot about the man.

stufarq wrote:That interview suggests some very specific reasons for the lack of family contact. He must have a reason for believeing that they were responsible for the burns. Maybe that tells us a lot about the man.

Especially some of the comments he's made associating (sexual) pleasure and violence...and not strictly lyrically/metaphorically.

I recall one particular interview, done near Christmastime, where the interviewer (whether slyly or through obliviousness) tried to pry out of him what he might be buying for his mum. After some one-word responses, he finally said he hadn't seen her in over 15 years.

7anthea7 wrote:

stufarq wrote:That interview suggests some very specific reasons for the lack of family contact. He must have a reason for believeing that they were responsible for the burns. Maybe that tells us a lot about the man.

Especially some of the comments he's made associating (sexual) pleasure and violence...and not strictly lyrically/metaphorically.

I recall one particular interview, done near Christmastime, where the interviewer (whether slyly or through obliviousness) tried to pry out of him what he might be buying for his mum. After some one-word responses, he finally said he hadn't seen her in over 15 years.

its not unusual for someone who has suffered some abuse as a child to confuse/ and/or associate violence in some form with pleasure/love/sex is it? but cigarette burns - what on earth? and surely a small child should at least have protection from animals that are scaring him?

and years ago i totally naively was talking and asking some clients about Christmas completely unaware they were jehovas witnesses!!!

it it my eyes this morning or are those boxes above that make the text bold or italic etc completely wonkey?

LouLou wrote:

abridged wrote:There's an interview, can't remember quite where, in which he mentions his family briefly and that he was traumatised by monkeys (who were attracted to him for some reason) on a trip with them somewhere quite exotic.

here's a linky to that interview

http://www.zsd.co.za/~lucien/sisters/in ... w.php?id=3

(hope hallucienate won't be too mad with me for posting links from his site )

Aye, that's the interview I was referring to as well. A brother and a sister.

Not a pretty sight, all n' all, with allusions to sexual abuse at the age of four - as well as physical parental torture. Knowing Von being the way he is with some people, I'm not surprised to learn he apparently cut ties to his parents the first chance he got.

Not trying to sound like a shrink, but such experiences generally lead to children growing with a lasting sense of insecurity in some levels, which tends to make them a bit 'guarded'. Some of Von's decisions and attitudes in relationships (both working and personal) would obviously be colored by such memories. And when you're a bit of a lone wolf to begin with, that sort of combination doesn't exactly amount to the most accessible person on the planet.

7anthea7 wrote:I recall one particular interview, done near Christmastime, where the interviewer (whether slyly or through obliviousness) tried to pry out of him what he might be buying for his mum. After some one-word responses, he finally said he hadn't seen her in over 15 years.

Stumbled upon it.

x: have you had any chance to do your Christmas shopping what with all your pre-tour arrangements?
AE: I took delivery of a new lap top this afternoon which was very gratifying. I think you mean buying presents for other people don't you?
x: yeah
AE: No, I don't do any of that.
x: you don't even buy one for your mother?
AE: She doesn't buy me one!
x: Oh Andrew I can't believe it!
AE: I haven't seen her for 15 years so she's hardly likely to - Von, 1990

Not seen his mother since 1975 or so... Since he was 16.

Stumbled upon it.

x: have you had any chance to do your Christmas shopping what with all your pre-tour arrangements?
AE: I took delivery of a new lap top this afternoon which was very gratifying. I think you mean buying presents for other people don't you?
x: yeah
AE: No, I don't do any of that.
x: you don't even buy one for your mother?
AE: She doesn't buy me one!
x: Oh Andrew I can't believe it!
AE: I haven't seen her for 15 years so she's hardly likely to - Von, 1990

Not seen his mother since 1975 or so... Since he was 16.

thats sad

oh i've broken it again oh.

wheres markfiend when i need him!?

Debi wrote:wheres markfiend when i need him!?

sorted

you were missing a [ at the very start of the post...

thank you Main Man!!!! I will pick it up honestly i will................


at some point!

copper wrote:Not a pretty sight, all n' all, with allusions to sexual abuse at the age of four - as well as physical parental torture.

I don't think there's any suggestion there of sexual buse, just physical.

Thinking about it, it's a surprisingly candid revelation considering he wasn't even asked anything remotely related to the subjects of family or childhood. He just volunteered it.

Interesting that he chose to study Chinese.

it makes me wonder whether - for instance - in andrews case - studying something quite off the wall, taking drugs and expressing himself via the music and image - was and maybe still is a cry for help, love and attention that he lacked when young?

Debi wrote:it makes me wonder whether - for instance - in andrews case - studying something quite off the wall, taking drugs and expressing himself via the music and image - was and maybe still is a cry for help, love and attention that he lacked when young?

Initially, I'd think it was being part of the scene that motivated them, cherefully mocking being a punk band that they suddenly understood might be good for paying their bills as success came their way.

stufarq wrote: Thinking about it, it's a surprisingly candid revelation considering he wasn't even asked anything remotely related to the subjects of family or childhood. He just volunteered it.

Interesting that he chose to study Chinese.

What's "Are you my nany? -This is payday! " in Chinese?
the Vietnamese and Thai language also spoken in Singapore mainly are a Chinese dialect, I heard.

good job i chose not to work for social services then eh!!

stufarq wrote:I don't think there's any suggestion there of sexual buse, just physical.

"I did spend a year in Singapore when I was very small, but I don’t remember much about it. It might have left some vague traumatic impression… I’ve actually got cigarette burns on my feet. My parents told me it was the Chinese nurse, although I’m more inclined to believe it was my parents. I remember the voyage back home, we came back on, erm, a slow boat from China. I was apparently continually traumatised by monkeys, they where strangely attracted to me."

[...] Do you think of your childhood often?

"No, although I’m sure it’s all very relevant. I’m quite proud of it. What it taught me and the things I think I still carry from that time, but I think I tend to think a lot of that comes through in what I do. I don’t consciously go back and refer to it for material. I wouldn’t dream of going into analysis, for instance, to find out what happened one black night in 1963."

The one black night in 1963 seems, to me at least, refer to a separate incident from Singapore and the cigarette burns. It may be the same, or not. But something in it just gives out the impression he might've thought to have been molested at some point.

Of course there are personal reasons for me to read it that way, which have nothing to do with Von himself. But I digress.

stufarq wrote:Thinking about it, it's a surprisingly candid revelation considering he wasn't even asked anything remotely related to the subjects of family or childhood. He just volunteered it.

Well, he approaches the subject of Singapore through the topic of Hong Kong, sort of sliding towards his earliest memories from that part of the world. These sorts of things may rise to the surface of the subconcious given the convenient moment, and people have been known to sort of 'blurt' them out without giving it much thought. Passing mention through association, I'm not all that convinced he intended to make much of a point out of it.

"one black night in 1963" is a throwaway comment.

as interesting (& even unique in its tone and content) as that interview segment is, i think you're all reading faaaaar too much into it

you don't have to have been raised by hindley & brady to not want much to do with your folks. as you grow up you forge your own sense of self, and quite often this is very different to that of your kith & kin, to the point where you dont have much in common with them. no malice, no great event acting as a turning point, just a gradual growing up and growing apart.

everything else is pure conjecture, and imho off the mark.

Like QB says. Reading way too much into it.

abridged wrote:Like QB says. Reading way too much into it.

Yeah. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, etc.